Ron Paul voted candidate most likely to defeat Hillary

[Herb Schaffler]

Posted on May 9, 2008, 1:06pm | [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This No Hillary For President Forum Link.
Constitution Party presidential candidate [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This No Hillary For President Forum Link. has[LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This No Hillary For President Forum Link. , and as the boys at Third Party Watch point out, it's calculated to make him look like Ron Paul's heir. No surprise there. Constitution Party founder Howard Phillips [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This No Hillary For President Forum Link. to nominate Baldwin over Alan Keyes on the cryptic promise that Paul secretly supported Baldwin and that the vast riches of the Paul campaign were "resources we can look to."

I saw Ron Paul on Wednesday, at a signing event for The Revolution, and he told me he won't endorse Baldwin or Barr. He'll kinda-sorta endorse both. He won't stop them from using photos of him or talking about his campaign.

"Chuck was in my office today to say hello," Paul said. "but I haven't said anything about supporting either one of them. I support both of them in what they're doing, and I encourage them, but that's all."

"Maybe you'll endorse McCain and surprise everybody," asked one of the people walking out of the event with us. "That would surprise me, too!" said Paul. But this is actually a sticking point in the Paul campaign: Some people in his circle want him to swing his weight behind McCain once the primaries are over. At the moment, they're being overruled.

On a related note, [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This No Hillary For President Forum Link. I asked Paul if he'd weigh in and help the "Ron Paul Republicans" who are running for office using all or part of his platform. He's started doing so in earnest, buoyed by the easy victories of candidates like BJ Lawson.

[Syz]

Thanks for all the info Herb and I'll get to it soon. Yes, I really like Bob Barr especially during the impeachment proceedings. He was one of the only men standing as far as I was concerned in trying to toss Clinton out as he should have been. Lindsey Graham played the role of a polite southern gent during the fiasco and I'll never disassociate him from McCain. The two peas and they're still pushing amnesty in our face. McCain just sent me a "send money" letter. Maybe he shouldn't have done that.

[hrdman2luv]

Didn't Bob Barr resign his congressional seat, after all he did to try to impeach Clinton, for having an affair also? I remember something in Hustler Mag about the 8 congressmen who were caught doing the same thing they were trying to impeach clinton for.

I have my own reasons for not supporting the Clintons. But being in the middle of a witch hunt while doing the same thing on the sly, isn't my idea of anyone we need in Washington.
Not that I don't support anyone with Ron Pauls values of less government, lower taxes, non-foreign intervention, free trade, etc etc....I just feel like the Democrats, if they need to, will rake Barr over the coals with this if they have the chance.

WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, Jan. 12) -- Hustler magazine publisher Larry Flynt is accusing Republican Rep. Bob Barr of Georgia of sexual infidelity, hypocrisy and lying under oath about an abortion.

Barr is refusing to discuss his personal life with the news media, but issued a statement saying "I have never perjured myself...I have never suggested, urged, forced or encouraged anyone to have an abortion."

In a late-night news conference in California, Flynt released an affidavit from Barr's former wife, Gail, in which she said Barr paid for an abortion she had in 1983 and that he never objected to it.
Barr said under oath in his 1986 divorce testimony that he did object to the abortion.

The ex-wife also said in the affidavit that she now believes Barr, while still married to her, began an affair with the woman he married a month after the divorce became final in 1986.
Neither Barr nor his current wife, Jeri, denied an affair when asked about it repeatedly during the divorce proceedings.

[Syz]

WHOA, I'm weary of Mantras, try this for reasoning next time so we don't conclude you'r a liberal.

#1: Always understand you don't need a Judge, jury or the inauthentic media journalists to tell you who the village idiot is.

#2: By the time you're grown, osmosis should kick in to guide you. If it doesn't, then by all means start observing life on a higher level. Attend a few cultural events. Take some investment courses.

How do I know you're handing me liberal political crap?

#1: There is a monumental difference between being the President, being found guilty of perjury causing an obstruction of justice, then being impeached for these acts against our fellowman and someone having an affair.

Can you see how those two things have nothing in common? You shouldn't confuse the two. Clinton was not impeached because he had an affair. He took our Constitution and spit on it which is equal to spitting on us.

#2: Bob Barr left office and joined the Libertarian Party. He was not impeached for obstructing justice regarding the American people and our Nation or for divorcing his wife and remarrying. Barr did not continue the serial abuse of women with his wife as an enabler.

#3: Osmosis and a serious study of our Corrupt Judicial system should have covered your indifference to anything Hustler, Larry Flynt, x-wifes, x-husbands, dime a dozen affidavits have to do with truth today. The Clinton team opened the gates for any and all deviant lies to prevail as a defense within our judiciary. This is why the judgment call for kicking both parties out the door needs to be enacted.

Now, if you want to get after Bob Barr for becoming a party to taking some cases for the A.C.L.U then I'm in your corner, but please save us from the Mantra garbage.

[Corvair]

Bravo, Syz. Very well-said!

It is stunning to see how many people still believe Clinton was impeached "for having an affair."

[Syz]

It's unbelievable, yet believable when you consider we are being asked to accept a complete lack of integrity as the right to government employment.

Our Presidential contenders and reps should discuss nothing but how they plan to make this nation and its citizens self-reliant, self-insured and self-controlled with an educational system of free choice based on financial investment courses at entry level with an understanding that culture within the arts and sciences brings a civility to the soul and should no longer be denied our youth.
No longer should ignorance be bliss for our salacious gatekeepers.

It is none of government's g.d. business to discuss what they are going to do with our money regarding social security, health care, education, science, corporate profits, our 2nd amendment or any other amendment that serves their greed.

Their only job is to keep our enemies at bay using the build up of our military power as our mental threat to develop fair global trade. The rest belongs to the states, free of Federal extortion. Our job is to throw the baggage out. None of this is not my idea. It comes with our Declaration of Independence and Constitution, obviously our elected officials and media won't recognize it.

It's Now or Never. The Revolution, A Manifesto by Ron Paul is a good beginning.

[hrdman2luv]

I have the book, and I'm reading it. As a matter of fact, I'm going to Austin on Monday to have it autographed. Because I believe Ron Paul would be the greatest President this country has seen in several years.
His economic and military background alone shatter anything the other three could possibly bring to the table. (not to disrespect McCains military record, but his economic experience is NIL)

My point, as if I really had to explain it, was the fact that Bob Barr was right alone with the witch hunt for Bill Clinton. This all started over an affair. And through the long and costly witch hunt proceedings, (costing over $40 million of our tax dollars).
Bob was right in the mix of the witch hunt. Doing the same exact thing that Bill was doing.
If he was not doing it himself, would be one thing. But to be doing the same thing.

Funny, how after all 8 other congressmen were all exposed, congress didn't seem to be in such a rush to proceed.

If a president wants to have an affair, who cares? I know I don't. But being a hypocrit (at the time) just gives me one hard factual reason to not trust someone. If he is going to go to extremes to do that to one president. How do you know he isn't going to be one to the American people.

And the point to my original post about Bob, was the fact that The democrats will rip this story apart if Bob actually begins to make waves. I did see a very short story on him TV the other day.

But, libertarians are too darn soft on Immigration and believe that babies aren't living babies, until the are born and cut from the ambilicle cord.

[hrdman2luv]

Originally Posted by Syz

I will be voting for Paul. Reviewed his [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This No Hillary For President Forum Link. website again yeterday and purchased the book he wrote from amazon.com It's called The Revolution: A Manefesto. It has been #1 on Amazons list and has sold out, but will be back in stock May 8th.

I would love to force McCain to debate Paul and Savage. We get nothing if we vote for McCain except another liberal so what's the point. I'm not going to vote for McCain on the basis that he can beat a liberal.

He has more people behind him then the media wants us to know so it's to the benefit of our country to force McCain out. When they understand Savage has 75 million who are willingly Ron Paul voters, it's an outstanding addition for Ron Paul and we just keep it up on all blogs, etc.

Paul's website is very clear as to his platform and during the debates the media did all they could to stop him when he was the best man on stage. We can either vote for Paul or we can lose our votes completely. I see it as simple as that. It's hardly a lost vote on a 3rd party. Ron is the 3rd party cloaked in the best of Conservatism.

I listened to McCains speech on "How he would like things to be at the end of his four years".........Blah blah blah....No real solutions, No real plans. Only speculations. He even went as far as to say troops would still be in Iraq.

Now let me get this straight. At the end of his four years, he would still like to see troops in Iraq? What an idiot.

I will never forget this: (pop up blocker is working & can't shut if off. SO I had to just post the youtube link. Sorry)

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[Syz]

I agree regarding the media killing off Bob Barr, they'll do the same to Paul because both men have a love of country and are not only educated, but experienced. The others have nothing but a love of their party winning and they could care less who they present to the American people as candidates or what platform they follow. Hence, we get trashy people who run trashy campaigns. The worst candidate for America is the best candidate for the media to hold their jobs.

All the old cronies from the lefty-loosies are showing up on tv, getting in on the gravy train. Glad you're on the Ron Paul train. His platform is The American Survival Platform.

If Herb if out there: I've been working my way through your information. I did see that Barr would have to be a write in as far as New York, but don't see anything else other than delegates for Paul are waiting, but no time for research right now. Keep us posted.

[Herb Schaffler]

The only information I've seen is that the Libertarian Party is on the ballot in 48 states. Perhaps, New York is one of two states where the Party isn't on the ballot. The Libertarian Party Convention will be held in Denver from May 22 through May 26. I believe it will be aired on C-Span. Bob Barr is the favorite because of all the votes he will get in the general election, probabably way more than any Libertarian candidate has ever gotten, but some Libertarians aren't wild about him because he's not a pure libertarian. There are lots of competitors for the nomination, but counting Barr, there are three major competitors. Reason.com usually has some blog spots on Hit & Run discussing the race.