Ron Paul Refuses to Endorse McCain

[Herb Schaffler]

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[nohil-billy]

RON PAUL BARELY WON HIS OWN PRIMARY. NOT EXACTLY A RINGING ENDORSEMENT OF HIS OWN ACCOMPLISHMENTS.


BEFORE OBAMA PICKED BIDEN AS HIS VICE PRESIDENT, HE TRIED TO VOTE PRESENT!!!

[hrdman2luv]

Ron Paul didn't endorse anyone because neither Obama or McCain are any different on Foreign Policy, monetary policy, trade policy or just about any other policy.
But Dr. Paul does very heavily endorse a three party system and the elimination of the electoral college.

In this press conference, he joined with the four other presidential candidates (Barr didn't show) in a coalition to change the Republican and Democrat strangle hold on Americans election system and debates so that Americans can see all their choices. So that there will someone else on the stage to point out the factualities of the real issues and problems that America truely faces. And not just the generic questions and sound bites given by the so called "top candidates". So that we all won't feel the necessity of voting for the "lesser of two evils". Because voting for the lesser of two evils, you still get an evil. It's like walking through the snow barefooted and wondering why you caught a cold.

The debates used to be pretty fair until Perot actually had a chance to win. And then the Democrats and Republicans got together and tried to destroy our chances of ever getting away from real choices.

Both Democrats and Republicans have destroyed this country and our constitution. Does anyone really think that they are going to fix it?

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[nohil-billy]

I'm all for seeking to change the political climate and really believe that McCain/Palin should be given a shot as they both have backgrounds of challenging their own party. We ask for something different and then when it's offered, we call it the same old thing.

Barr and Paul are both long time Republicans. Am I supposed to believe that because they've changed their party affiliations, they are suddenly outsiders? Ron Paul votes for earmarks before he votes against them. He still brings home the pork. How is that change as compared to McCain.

My only problem with having a third party is that a candidate could actually win the presidency with only a little more than a third of the vote. Bill Clinton won twice never receiving a plurality, which is what brings us all here today.

[Herb Schaffler]

"I'm all for seeking to change the political climate and really believe that McCain/Palin should be given a shot as they both have backgrounds of challenging their own party. We ask for something different and then when it's offered, we call it the same old thing."

When McCain truly was a maverick Republican, he was to the left of the Republican party. Is that the kind of change you want, nohil-billy? Now that he is trying to appeal to the Republican right, he has voted 95% with Bush. What kind of change is that? Both McCain and Palin offer us the same neocon foreign policy that we've had for the past 7 years. What kind of change is that?

"Barr and Paul are both long time Republicans. Am I supposed to believe that because they've changed their party affiliations, they are suddenly outsiders?"

Ron Paul has always had a libertarian viewpoint, he hasn't changed. Bob Barr has seen the light and has become a libertarian. It takes longer for some people to wise up.

"My only problem with having a third party is that a candidate could actually win the presidency with only a little more than a third of the vote. Bill Clinton won twice never receiving a plurality, which is what brings us all here today."

I think if a candidate doesn't get over 50% of the popular vote, we need to have a runoff with the top two candidates.

[nohil-billy]

Palin and McCain have both challenged the status quo in their own party. I think that speaks louder for change than a guy who grabs for the pork then votes against it when he knows it doesn't matter. McCain has always rejected earmarks.

Listen Herb, I was never a real big McCain fan but you have to give credit where due. I said in a different post, about 8 months ago, that I thought McCain and Lieberman were both the most honest people in congress even though I don't agree with their policies all the time.

Not voting with Bush 5% of the time is actually a lot and he has shown he can reach across the aisle. On the other side you have the first and third most liberal senators in congress, and only a brain tumor away from them being 1 & 2. They vote straight liberal 100% of the time.

As for Barr and Paul, I said I like what Paul has to say. Let him bring it back in four years. Barr and Paul can't win and if they did they couldn't get anything done. I want my vote to count.

[WiseOne]

Oh, that doesn't surprise me in the slightest. I think the only one Ron Paul would endorse is Ron Paul, LOL. I like Ron Paul, but yea I figure he couldn't get anything done as well due to his attitude, etc.

[Syz]

Suffragettes were hung from the ceilings of their jail cells, beaten and starved in Saddam style for demanding the right to vote. Now Sarah Palin takes her place in history beside these strong outstanding futuristic women and accepts the Suffragette hating mentality, the cauldron stirrers, and a media with no credibility because she's qualified to understand who they are and what their purpose is.

Worse for Sarah is the N.O.W. crowd and the elderly women joining the male fools of yesteryear who want the Socialist wind beneath their lacking wings for fear they will be deprived of the "bread services" that our corrupt government also takes for themselves. There is no greater welfare fraud than our Federal Government onto themselves for stealing the well earned dollar from the citizens.

Years ago, The Gross Report listed these individual corruptions. If you can find one of those books, get it and triple their deceit and horrible spending of the American tax dollar.

McCain has many of Paul's approaches to the removal of government control, but I'm weary of the 3rd parties always waiting until 4 months before closing to begin their efforts so if it's Obama you want then go for it, but get the L out of our way. He can't figure out what to do with two clintons next to him, let alone Iran. His political cowardice has long legs when he votes "Present" instead of making a decision in the hope he will not sully his future resumes.

All McCain platforms and issues have been presented by them verbally and on McCain's website in great detail. I have never seen more accomplished women than Cindy McCain and Sarah Palin and all the more reason for suffragette treatment by the mentally challenged corrupt federal government and its environs. Cindy McCain could not be this accomplished woman without an equally non controlling secure man by her side and no doubt the reason he chose Palin, so I give him every opportunity for them both to continue their positive futuristic plans for this Nation that is the equal of Bill Gates future for Cyberspace. We do not have time to be stuck in the 60's old drug culture.

[nohil-billy]

Thank you for weighing in Syz. I was feeling very much alone in my defense of the "Queen of the Wild Frontier."

She should be the poster child for the feminist movement rather than the target. She is all woman and proud of it and you can tell that her husband is proud of her too. Not embarassed to be in the supporting role.

[hrdman2luv]

Originally Posted by nohil-billy

Palin and McCain have both challenged the status quo in their own party.

Maybe in a very liberal way... (aka McCain/Kennedy...McCain/Feingold)
I think that speaks louder for change than a guy who grabs for the pork then votes against it when he knows it doesn't matter. McCain has always rejected earmarks.

You make earmarks sound like a bad thing. When you do your taxes, do you not take every deduction given to you legally? And when all the people in your district or state pays taxes, isn't a good thing when your representitve or Senator brings some of those taxes back to your state or district? Because if it isn't sent back to you, then it goes into the hands of the Executive branch and bureocrats. And gets lost on some pet project like "The Mexican Trucking Pilot program" or "recruitment of American border guards for Iraq".


Listen Herb, I was never a real big McCain fan but you have to give credit where due. I said in a different post, about 8 months ago, that I thought McCain and Lieberman were both the most honest people in congress even though I don't agree with their policies all the time.

Funny how McCain is so against lobbyist, but most of his campaign staff are lobbyist..Does that seem honest to you?

Not voting with Bush 5% of the time is actually a lot and he has shown he can reach across the aisle. On the other side you have the first and third most liberal senators in congress, and only a brain tumor away from them being 1 & 2. They vote straight liberal 100% of the time.

Reaching across the isle to the liberals is not something you or he should be bragging about.

As for Barr and Paul, I said I like what Paul has to say. Let him bring it back in four years. Barr and Paul can't win and if they did they couldn't get anything done. I want my vote to count.

Is your vote going to count anyways? Is this election going to be decided by your one little vote? If you want your vote to count to you, then you will vote your conscious. By voting for who they tell you to vote for is a wasted vote. And by voting for someone who has voted against (or not voted at all) our military and their benefits as many times as McCain has, voted in support of granting illegals amnesty, voted in favor of an illegal "liberal like war", is definately a wasted vote for America.

And as far as Palin goes, she didn't stop the "bridge to no where". That was congress and the lack of support from the American people. She only opposed it when the American people found out about it and raised a stink about it.

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