Liar "Communist" Criminal Hillary Clinton!

[Herb Schaffler]

"Herb, just when did working class people lose their brains? "

You're putting words in my mouth, Judy.

"My son who is working on his doctorate in Philadelphia is an Obama supporter. Why, because he doesn't like Hillary's position on "flag-burning." Now, that's a reason to vote against someone with an economy in shambles."

Your son's belief in free speech is a good reason to vote against Hillary on this particular issue. Regarding the economy being in shambles, I'm not so sure Hillary will help it with all her tax increase plans or Obama for that matter and McCain certainly won't help it with his continuance of the war in Iraq. No matter whom of the three gets elected, I don't see any good prospects for our economy.

"Obama's health plan is "coerced." People who have children are required "coerced" to purchase health insurance under his plan. "

True! Let's just say it doesn't coerce as many people as Hillary's does.

"Speaking of Obama, he doesn't possess one important qualification to be President. "

Look at how much sustantive legislation Obama has sponsored compared to the superficial legislation Hillary has sponsored. I'll have to find that detailed list and post it here.

"Dukakis and Bush, etc.?"

Dukakis and Bush were in different parties.

"Just one more example of your gender bias against Hillary"

How do you know that? Do I say that you're a racist because you aren't supporting Obama?

"It's only Hillary who is "destroying" the party."

Hillary is destroying the party because there's no way she can win, yet she's staying in the race continuing to split the party.

[Herb Schaffler]

The following is Obama's legislative record in the senate:

Below I summarize Senator Obama's legislative record in the US Senate.
First I list the bills he sponsored that have become law.
Next I summarize the bills that he has sponsored or cosponsored since he became a US Senator in 2005.
I have only included major pieces of legislation and have not summarized continuing resolutions or naming post offices, for example.
His record suggests several priorities and the bills he supports address many of our most pressing problems.
Most of his legislative effort has been in the area of Energy Efficiency and Climate Change (25 bills), health care (21 bills) and public health (20 bills), consumer protection/labor (14 bills), the needs of Veterans and the Armed Forces (13 bills), Congressional Ethics and Accountability (12 bills), Foreign Policy (10 bills) Voting and Elections (9 bills), Education (7 bills), Hurricane Katrina Relief (6), the Environment (5 bills), Homeland Security (4 bills), and discrimination (4 bills).
Of the 15 bills Senator Obama sponsored or co-sponsored in 2005-7 that became law:
Two addressed foreign policy:
Promote relief, security and democracy in the Congo (2125)
Develop democratic institutions in areas under Palestinian control (2370).
Three addressed public health:
Improve mine safety (2803)
Increased breast cancer funding (597)
Reduce preterm delivery and complications, reduce infant mortality (707).
Two addressed openness and accountability in government:
Strengthening the Freedom of Information Act (2488)
Full disclosure of all entities receiving federal funds (2590)
Two addressed national security
Extend Terrorist Risk Insurance (467)
Amend the Patriot Act (2167)
One addressed the needs of the Armed Forces
Wave passport fees to visit graves, attend memorials/funerals of veterans abroad (1184).
Of the 570 bills Senator Obama introduced into the Senate during the 109th and 110th Congress (Senate Bill numbers are in parentheses), they can be summarized as follows:
25 addressed Energy Efficiency and Climate Change
Suspend royalty relief for oil and gas (115)
Reduce dependence on oil; use of alternative energy sources (133)
Increase fuel economy standards for cars (767, 768)
Auto industry incentives for fuel efficient vehicles (1151)
Reduce green house gas emissions (1324)
Establish at NSF a climate change education program (1389)
Increase renewable content of gasoline (2202)
Energy emergency relief for small businesses and farms (269)
Strategic gasoline and fuel reserves (1794)
Alternative diesel standards (3554)
Coal to liquid fuel promotion (3623)
Renewable diesel standards (1920)
Reducing global warming pollution from vehicles (2555)
Fuel security and consumer choice (1994, 2025)
Alternative energy refueling system (2614)
Climate change education (1389)
Low income energy assistance (2405)
Oil savings targets (339)
Fuel economy reform (3694)
Plug-in electric drive vehicles (1617)
Nuclear release notice (2348)
Passenger rail investment (294)
Energy relief for low income families (2405)
21 addressed Health Care
Drug re-importation (334)
Health information technology (1262, 1418)
Discount drug prices (2347)
Health care associated infections (2278)
Hospital quality report cards (692, 1824)
Medical error disclosure and compensation (1784)
Emergency medical care and response (1873)
Stem cell research (5)
Medical Malpractice insurance (1525)
Health centers renewal (901, 3771)
Children’s health insurance (401)
Home health care (2061)
Medicare independent living (2103)
Microbicides for HIV/AIDS (823)
Ovarian cancer biomarker research (2569)
Gynological cancers (1172)
Access to personalized medicine through use of human genome (976)
Paralysis research and care (1183)
20 addressed Public Health:
Violence against women (1197)
Biodefense and pandemic preparedness and response (1821, 1880)
Viral influenza control (969)
End homelessness (1518)
Reduce STDs/unintended pregnancy (1790)
Smoking prevention and tobacco control (625)
Minority health improvement and disparity elimination (4024)
Nutrition and physical education in schools (2066)
Health impact assessments (1067, 2506)
Healthy communities (1068)
Combat methamphetamines (2071)
Paid sick leave (910)
Prohibit mercury sales (833, 1818)
Prohibit sale of lead products (1306, 2132)
Lead exposure in children (1811, 2132)
14 address Consumer Protection/Labor
Stop unfair labor practices (842)
Fair minimum wage (2, 1062, 2725, 3829)
Internet freedom (2917)
Credit card safety (2411)
Media ownership (2332)
Protecting taxpayer privacy (2484)
Working family child assistance (218)
Habeus Corpus Restoration (185)
Bankruptcy protection for employees and retirees (2092)
FAA fair labor management dispute resolution (2201)
Working families flexibility (2419).
13 addressed the Needs of Veterans and the Armed Forces:
Improve Benefits (117)
Suicide prevention (479)
Needs of homeless veterans (1180)
Homes for veterans (1084)
GI Bill enhancement (43)
Military job protection
Dignity in care for wounded vets (713)
Housing assistance for low income veterans (1084)
Military children in public schools (2151)
Military eye injury research and care (1999)
Research physical/mental health needs from Iraq War (1271)
Proper administration of discharge for personality disorder (1817, 1885)
Security of personal data of veterans (3592)
12 addressed Congressional Ethics and Accountability
Lobbying and ethics reform (230)
Stop fraud (2280)
Legislative transparency and accountability (525)
Open government (2180, 2488)
Restoring fiscal discipline (10)
Transparency and integrity in earmarks (2261)
Accountability of conference committee deliberations and reports (2179)
Federal funding accountability and transparency (2590)
Accountability and oversight for private security functions under Federal
contract (674)
Accountability for contractors and personnel under federal contracts
(2147) Resctrictions awarding government contracts (2519)
10 addressed Foreign Policy:
Iraq war de-escalation (313)
US policy for Iraq (433),
Divestiture from Iran (1430)
Sudan divestment authorization (831)
Millennium Development Goals (2433)
Multilateral debt relief (1320)
Development bank reform (1129)
Nuclear nonproliferation (3131,977,2224).
9 address Voting/Elections
Prohibit deceptive practices in Federal elections (453)
Voter access to polls and services in Federal elections (737)
Voter intimidation and deceptive practices (1975)
Senate campaign disclosure parity (185)
Require reporting for bundled campaign contributions (2030)
Election jamming prevention (4102)
Campaign disclosure parity (223)
Presidential funding (2412)
Integrity of electronic voting systems (1487)
11 addressed Education
Increase access of low income African Americans to higher education (1513)
Establish teaching residency programs (1574)
Increase early intervention services (2111)
Middle school curriculum improvements (2227)
Public database of scholarships, fellowships and financial aid (2428)
Summer learning programs (116)
TANF financial education promotion (924)
Higher education (1642)
Build capacity at community colleges (379)
Campus law enforcement in emergencies (1228)
Support for teachers (2060).
6 addressed Hurrican Katrina
Hurricane Katrina recovery (2319)
Emergency relief (1637)
Bankruptcy relief and community protection (1647)
Working family tax relief (2257)
Fair wages for recovery workers (1749)
Gulf coast infrastructure redevelopment (1836)
5 addressed the Environment
Drinking water security (218, 1426)
Water resources development (728)
Waste water treatment (1995)
Combat illegal logging (1930)
Spent nuclear fuel tracking and Acountability (1194)
Asian Carp Prevention and Control Act (Introduced in Senate)[S.726.IS ]
4 addressed Discrimination
Claims for civil class action based on discrimination (1989)
Domestic partnership benefits (2521)
Unresolved civil rights crimes (535)
Equality or two parent families (2286)
4 addressed Homeland Security
Judicial review of FISA orders (2369)
National emergency family locator (1630)
Amend US Patriot Act (2167)
Chemical security and safety (2486)
Next time someone asks you "where's the beef" in Senator Obama's Senate record, refer to the above.

[Herb Schaffler]

Now let's look at Hillary's legislative record. Notice how unsubstantive her legislation is.

1. A concurrent resolution supporting the goals and ideals of National Better Hearing and Speech Month, and for other purposes. (107th)
2. A resolution honoring John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, who lost their lives in the course of duty as firefighters. (107th)
3. A resolution recognizing the Ellis Island Medal of Honor. (107th)
4. A bill to designate the United States courthouse located at 40 Centre Street in New York, New York, as the "Thurgood Marshall United States Courthouse". (107th)
5. A bill to extend the period of availability of unemployment assistance under the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act in the case of victims of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. (107th)
6. A bill to waive certain limitations in the case of use of the emergency fund authorized by section 125 of title 23, United States Code, to pay the costs of projects in response to the attack on the World Trade Center in New York City that occurred on September 11, 2001. (107th)
7. A bill to designate the building located at 1 Federal Plaza in New York, New York, as the "James L. Watson United States Courthouse". (107th)
8. A bill to authorize assistance for individuals with disabilities in foreign countries, including victims of landmines and other victims of civil strife and warfare, and for other purposes. (107th)
9. A bill to designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 201 Main Street, Lake Placid, New York, as the "John A. "Jack" Shea Post Office Building". (107th)
10. A concurrent resolution designating August 7, 2003, as "National Purple Heart Recognition Day". (108th)
11. A concurrent resolution supporting the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day. (108th)
12. A concurrent resolution recognizing and honoring the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death because of his standing as one of the most influential Founding Fathers of the United States. (108th)
13. A resolution congratulating the Syracuse University Orange men's lacrosse team on winning the 2004 NCAA Division I men's lacrosse National Championship. (108th)
14. A resolution congratulating the Le Moyne College Dolphins men's lacrosse team on winning the 2004 NCAA Division II men's lacrosse National Championship. (108th)
15. A bill to amend the Public Health Service Act to establish a program to assist family caregivers in accessing affordable and high-quality respite care, and for other purposes. (108th)
16. A bill to establish within the National Park Service the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program, and for other purposes. (108th)
17. A bill to establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site in the State of New York, and for other purposes. (108th)
18. A bill to designate certain National Forest System land in the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico as components of the National Wilderness Preservation System. (108th)
19. A bill to designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 555 West 180th Street in New York, New York, as the "Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda Post Office". (108th)
20. A concurrent resolution to express the sense of Congress on the Purple Heart. (109th)
21. A concurrent resolution congratulating the Magen David Adom Society in Israel for achieving full membership in the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement, and for other purposes. (109th)
22. A resolution honoring Shirley Chisholm for her service to the Nation and expressing condolences to her family, friends, and supporters on her death. (109th)
23. A resolution condemning the murder of United States journalist Paul Klebnikov on July 9, 2004, in Moscow, and the murders of other members of the media in the Russian Federation. (109th)
24. A bill to designate certain National Forest System land in the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico as a component of the National Wilderness Preservation System. (109th)
25. A bill to designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 2951 New York Highway 43 in Averill Park, New York, as the "Major George Quamo Post Office Building". (109th)
26. A concurrent resolution recognizing the 75th anniversary of the Military Order of the Purple Heart and commending recipients of the Purple Heart for their courageous demonstrations of gallantry and heroism on behalf of the United States. (110th)
27. A concurrent resolution supporting the goals and ideals of "National Purple Heart Recognition Day". (110th)
28. A resolution recognizing the uncommon valor of Wesley Autrey of New York, New York. (110th)
29. A resolution calling for the immediate and unconditional release of soldiers of Israel held captive by Hamas and Hezbollah. (110th)
30. A resolution urging all member countries of the International Commission of the International Tracing Service who have yet to ratify the May 2006 amendments to the 1955 Bonn Accords to expedite the ratification process to allow for open access to the Holocaust archives located at Bad Arolsen, Germany. (110th)
31. A resolution supporting the goals and ideals of Pancreatic Cancer Awareness Month. (110th

[judydreams]

Herb,

Where did you get the legislative records of Hillary and Obama? I'm kind of doubting your data but am willing to check it out for myself.

[33sharks]

judydreams-you have stated that "hank" as I call her has done well in the past debate. Let me ask you this. How come there was no follow up to the statement the Obama made about her husband pardoning some of the same people that she accused Obama of associating himself with? Oh that's right they had to go to commercial, and when they came back, the "pro-hank" commentators never followed up on his statement. It just went away. She didn't have to defend herself like Obama did. If she would have had to do that she would have cried foul or some vast right-wing conspiracy was plotting against her. She should be given an Oscar for her performance so far this year. She in her arrogance will stay in the race despite what it will do to the democratic party. No one will ever convince me that America needs a repeat of the "hank and bill" show.
33sharks--->out

[Syz]

Herb: LOL I was just coming in to suggest Jude is on a payroll somewhere. We just get the standard liberal Mantra cauldron stirring and never a response. I presented the original federal documents from Hillary's Socialist stick-it-to-ya health care and she thinks you'd pick something like that up from the grand Republican pimp of all time Rush boy. Does anybody still listen to the Pimp crowd via tv and radio?? AND a grand thank you to you for all that research and presentation.

Onward to discussing the enabler of our National Serial Abuser of Women, NATIONAL PERVERT, First Black President and hoped for First lyin finger wavin First Lady and Mrs. President of the United States. Wow, where is he going to sew all that on his uniform? We'll have to have an epaulet contest for the the assi. Oh Gol, is that the plural of asss?

[judydreams]

33Sharks. Why do you insist on calling Hillary "Hank?" Maybe your brain left home and lodged itself somewhere else in your body so that you cannot remember her name. Or, maybe you just hate the thought of a woman President. I am going to try and think of you in the most positive way possible and just think that your brain is on a little vacation. I didn't say that Hillary did well in one debate--I said she did well in ALL debates, except maybe the one in Philadelphia. Back to the pardons, it is really a non-issue as all Presidents give them. She probably didn't answer because it was irrelevant. If you have watched all of the debates as I have, then you can't possibly think that Hillary has been treated fairly in them. Even Lou Dobbs and many conservative MEN on the Fox News Channel don't believe that. I just think the media fell in love with Obama, didn't bother investigating anything about him, and have tried to destroy Hillary from the very beginning and have created the mess that we are now in that may give us four years of McCain. I don't think that's good for our country.

[33sharks]

judy--well again you have to point the finger and accuse me of something that is not true. Sounds like it is self check time for you, again. You are the one who has a problem with a women being the president. I have NO PROBLEM with a women running or being president. And let me be very clear about the following. I do not support Obama, McCain, or hillary. None of them have shown me they are prepared to lead this country. My problem with hillary is her CHARACTER. She is just like her husband--a lying rat--I see through both of them they are not here to help the country, they are here to HELP THEMSELVES PERIOD. I can't believe that in a country as great as America we can not find any more qualified candidates to run for president. I am almost ready to don my tin foil hat and vote for Ron Paul. Oh and by the way I'm left handed--so I'm always in my right mind...
33sharks--->out

[nohil-billy]

Hey 33sharks, I had the tin foil consession at all Ron Paul rallies. Did you stop at one of my booths or did you make yours yourself? I have a patent on the one that leaks gray matter from under the rim.

[Herb Schaffler]

"Hey 33sharks, I had the tin foil consession at all Ron Paul rallies. Did you stop at one of my booths or did you make yours yourself? I have a patent on the one that leaks gray matter from under the rim."

You don't need one nohil-billy, the gray matter has already started leaking out of your brain.

"maybe you just hate the thought of a woman President"

Judy, maybe you just hat the thought of a black President.

"I just think the media fell in love with Obama, didn't bother investigating anything about him, and have tried to destroy Hillary from the very beginning and have created the mess that we are now in that may give us four years of McCain. I don't think that's good for our country."

The media have given Hillary a pass for too long. If the media had been revealing Hillary's corruption all along, she would have never even been elected US Senator in the first place, let along making it as far as she has in the Predidential race. Whey doesn't the media say anything about the Paul vs. Clinton case that is going on now?