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vote hillary, what is your opinion of the polls that show a higher percentage of more highly educated Democrats voting for Obama instead of Hillary?
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Thank you for your response. You are right, I am referring to embryonic cells. I am not going to get into stem cell 101, but embryonic cells are very important. Adult cells have offered great promise and advances, but the opportunities with embryonic cells are endless. Again you are correct in saying that stem cell research is legal, but the bill that was on the table would have made federal funding available as well as taking the time limit off of cells that can be used. Because of my education and carrer I do have a strong agenda with regards to the sciences. There are, however, many other issues that I care deeply about. Before being a scientist I am a mother, and that will play the biggest role in my decision on election day. Like I said before, I realize that I am out numbered by a large margin on this site, I just wanted to make it known that it is not just the young naive voter who backs Hillary. Also, I am a democrat so my decision would be between Hillary and Obama, and you can be sure I support her as our nominee over him.
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Hillary is at it again. She has cried for the 3rd time in this campaign. The first time was on the eve of the New Hampshire primary, the 2nd time was on the eve of Super Tuesday, and now on the eve of last weekends contests she did it again. Isn't she afraid that this transparent phoniness is going to turn people off? The timing of these crying events has got to make people cynical.
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...you are correct in saying that stem cell research is legal, but the bill that was on the table would have made federal funding available as well as taking the time limit off of cells that can be used...
This almost answers a question I have, but not quite. My understanding is that embryonic stem cell research is legal, but federal funding of the research is not. It must be paid for privately. Is that right?
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There is no out sourcing of any kind to any other country.
Yes, I know. Research firms are not manufacturing facilities. Of course! That's not what I said. Where are the manufacturing facilities that use the technology that you developed?

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We pride ourselves, as Americans, on being leaders in world wide medical studies.
What? Nobody has a green card? I don't believe that. What do you have against immigrants?

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Again you are correct in saying that stem cell research is legal, but the bill that was on the table would have made federal funding available
Why don't you use that private funding you said you get? It seems you poo pood the importance of federal grants, but then you say you need them or else your hands are tied. If the private market won't fund your research, then maybe taxpayers shouldn't either.


This thread reminds me. I better go check my will. I wanna make sure my kids get nothin' cos theys mamma aint white!
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Hello. For Corvair, there was federal funding made available for embryonic stem cell research on the existing amount of cell lines. President Bush made the use of federal funding limited to these stem cell lines that were derived before August 9, 2001. There are 64 lines available. There is no funding available for any cells derived after that date. The private funding that is made available is used. I understand that it is hard for some people to grasp the idea of embryonic cell research, but I truly believe that it is the answer for so many problems. I also believe that most people would agree if only they new the truth. It is not some group of mad scientists making monsters in the basement, it is a very ethical and promising aspect of the future of health care. Thank you for all your comments and questions.
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I forgot to reply to pero. I have nothing against immigrants. I mean that we are American based. Our facilities are all here in the USA. We have several immigrants throughout our affiliates and they are all great doctors. Most of them completed all or some of their studies in America. I have no problem with legal immigrants who come to America to contribute their expertise in this country. I have a big problem with immigrants who come here looking for a free ride while draining our economy and taking opportunities away from Americans. I worked very hard to get where I am today. Nothing was handed to me along the way. I had several thousands of dollars in student loans to pay after graduating under grad and grad school.You said that if you had my job you would vote for Hillary too. I am not sure what you are getting at, but I hope you are not implying that I am not among the working class because that could not be further from the truth. Regardless of any comparison in salary, I work very hard. I earn every penny I make and the amount of my income does not set me aside from the rest of working class America.

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You have left a couple of questions unanswered and I am truly curious. I have heard that there have been no new discoveries or advances to date using embryonic stem cells while there have been many using adult stem cells. Is this true? If so, are the endless opportunities you refer to in using embryonic stem cells merely wishful thinking on your part or has there been some new advancement that nobody knows about?

I also heard recently that adult cells can be manipulated to give them the exact same properties as embryonic stem cells making the use of embryonic stem cells unnecessary. Is this true? If it is, wouldn't it be better to go this route and sidestep the moral issue?
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You said that if you had my job you would vote for Hillary too. I am not sure what you are getting at,
Really? Is it me? I think I said it twice. I don't know what good asking the same question a third time will do. Clearly, federal research grants only create the self justified jobs and no new jobs on American soil are born out of the research you have completed. I don't care if it is stem cells, fuel cells, power cells or jail cells. If the research doesn't put profitable, new jobs on American soil then I don't want to have taxpayer funding for it. I don't know how to say it any more clearly for you. I'm not talking about creating jobs for researchers or Asia. I want jobs for Average Joe Sixpack American. Otherwise, it is just a waste of money. At least a polar lander that crashes into Mars and is never heard again created jobs for Americans. Sending broken junk into space sounds like a better way to spend the money.

Getting tired of hearing the spin, anyway. So are the voters, as far as I can tell. Mayor Coleman in Columbus, Ohio is beefing up the voter turnout for Obama. Sure, Hillary has Strickland, but it was Coleman who got him elected, not her. Heck, I'll vote for Coleman to challenge Voinovich's seat if he can pull this off. I'm no Democrat, but I'd owe him one if he does. He'll break through Hillary's last firewall in Ohio and then IT WILL FINALLY ALL BE OVER! Nobody will have to hear it any more. Thank God! I can't wait.

I don't know why Hillary is so confident in Ohio. Bill nearly crippled the Democrats in 1996. He came less than one percent away from reducing Democrats to minor party status in 1996. Even Ross Perot got minor party in 1996. Amazing, how close Clinton almost made Democrats equal to Reform Party. Less than one percent, LOL.

Of course I know you have nothing against immigrants. You just said it as if you were singing your company mission statement. The retraction and rewording in response to the weakest of challenges makes me think you only said it in the first place because you thought it would be easy to blow smoke up my a ss.
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Hi everyone. I have been trying to catch a break so I can respond and keep intouch. Nohil-billy, I will try to answer your questions as best I can. It is my understanding that there are some pluripotent adult cells that have been modifed to grow as directed which does give it some properties of embryonic stem cells. There are however technical difficulties with being able to control the growth pattern of the cells. The study and growth of embryonic cells is still very new and limited. The only applied progress in stem cell therapy has come from adult cells. Like I said before adult cells are very important and promising, I just wish that the full potential of all stem cells would be made readily available for researchers and doctors. The embryonic cells are still what you could call a glimmer in the medical eye. I have spoke with a scientist who recently worked on a study at Bringham and womens in Boston on the modification of adult cells. They actually directed certain cells to form new bone growth. This is an amazing advance for adult cells. The point of embryonic cells is that there is limited guess work. They are a blank page from the get go. I would love to see all the embryos that are sitting in fertility clinics around the country put to good use. After every person who is looking for fertility has obtained this there are still thousands of embryos that are discarded. I hope that one day these can be used for medical advances. The idea of one day being able to regrow spinal cord or brain tissue could in fact be possible. Why settle with what we have when there is so much more potenial out there. We need to dream big. Alot of doctors have been called crazy, including myself, because we visualize being able to help quadriplegics walk again. I do alot of work with St. Jude's, and stem cells may be significant in the search for a cure for many childhood cancers and genetic diseases. None of this has anything to do with hillary, but it is a very intriguing topic to discuss. I also have to wonder how many diseases and disabilities could have been cured with the estimated 1.5-2 trillion dollars used throughout the entire war.
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