Welcome To All You Anti-Hillary Fans!

[valeriejb]

I will not vote for any candidate who does not come out 100% against the war in Iraq. I am also really concerned about her statement that "all options are on the table" with regard to Iran. The United States must NEVER consider it an option to use nuclear weapons. We must elect someone who has the courage and moral convictions to oppose wars of aggression. Hillary Clinton only says what she thinks will get her elected. It's a shame, because I would really love to be able to have a woman president. Just not this woman.

[WiseOne]

Welcome, Valeriejb,

I understand 100%. I heard a guy say the other day that we should make Iran a "Sea of Glass", and I told him that I don't think Russia would appreciate that very much and they certainly wouldn't appreciate the "glare" afterwords. You are right when you say that Hillary says what will get her elected, that is the truth...she has no convictions excepting the fact that she is "convicted" she should be President. This is the WRONG woman at the WRONG time to be sure!

[Herb Schaffler]

I read a blogger on Reason.com state that Hillary like so many other Presidents in recent history has the belief that the President as Commander in Chief has the authority of sending our country to war without the approval of Congress. According to our Constitution, only Congress can declare war. Our Founders were opposed to the war making powers being in the hands of one person.

[Nightwind]

This is just a preview of things to come to our country if she is elected.
AMERICAN SUICIDE

Wherever you stand, please take the time to read this; it ought to scare
the pants off you!

We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context
his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an
immigration overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to
capacity by many of America's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant
college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his
latest book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and
illegal was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would
march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American
Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and
gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat
spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the
United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too
self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that
hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time.
Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and
that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit
suicide.'"

"Here is how they do it," Lamm said: "First, to destroy America, turn
America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country."
History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and
antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a
blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a
society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it
this way: "The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do
not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy." Canada,
Belgium, Malaysia, and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in
which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and
Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France
faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans.".

Lamm went on: Second, to destroy America, "Invent 'multiculturalism' and
encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. Make it an article of
belief that all cultures are equal; that there are no cultural
differences. Make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic
dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the
majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

Third, "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without
much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As
Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: "The apparent
success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have
been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance
that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American,
we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together."

Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language
and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad
bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural
subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as
Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least
educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated,
and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass
have a 50% dropout rate from high school."

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations
and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in
ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I
would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the
fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all
minority failure on the majority population."

"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship,
and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I
would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people
worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they
are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is
against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes
to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks
believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common
Language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece
took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia, threatened their
liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two
factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured
political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" --From many, one.
In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus'
instead of the 'Unum,' we will balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits; make it taboo to
talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word
similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and
paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion
and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having
established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the
doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce
our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration
has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every
individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of
millions of them."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow.
Profound silence followed. Finally he said,. "Lastly, I would censor
Victor Hanson Davis's book "Mexifornia." His book is dangerous. It
exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be
destroyed, don't read that book."

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous
cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that
room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically,
quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today.
Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the
foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Even
barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as
we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third
World as corporations create a Third World in America - take note of
California and other states - to date, ten million illegal aliens and
growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that
story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building:
"War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."

Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the
conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is
deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration
monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California
wildfire and destroy everything in its path especially The American
Dream.

[jcscuba]

Extraordinarly well said Herb! Thanks

[WiseOne]

Yes, and I like the articcle, Nightwind! Thanks for sharing...keep them coming, please.

[Coastie]

Originally Posted by dmunda

How am I suppose to take your argument against Hillary seriously when you call her a Marxist? Come on- you know that is not true. Name calling never wins a debate. If you have issues about what she has done, then I am ready to hear them, but you can't tell me what she will do, you can't know that. That is your fear talking- what are you afraid of, what are your real issues?

I like her for a number of reasons. I do think that she has good ideas that are much needed for our country. For one, I liked her idea of a national health care plan, and I think it is much more needed today than in 1992. She is strong on education, and as a mother and educator, I think that we need to improve our public schools."No Child Left Behind" is a wreck and it has left our schools broken. Not everyone can afford a private education. I don't know,maybe these issues are not important to you, but they are very important to me. The children are our future, and that means every child regardless of where they come from, or who they are. Everyone deserves the same rights. It is so unfair how the corporate world has taken over this country. We need that to stop. Those executives do not work any harder than anyone else to deserve million dollar salaries and bonuses. We both know it's the people underneath them that do all the work. The pay scale in this country is asinine! Tell me, why is okay for a top executive to bring in a six figure income, and a nurse, or teacher make an average salary of $40,000 per year? Face it- this country is broke and it needs fixed. By the way, I haven't decided who to vote for- its too early. I do like Hillary and I like John Edwards and Obama. I haven't ruled out the Republicans, but I have to see who they have. The biggest complaint that I have against the Republicans is the Christian Right. I think that you should have a right to be as faithful as you want to the religion of your choice, but when you start to force your personal beliefs on others then you have gone too far. They have taken over the party. The republicans need a true conservative, a Barry Goldwater type. By the way, check out how Clinton votes (her record)- you may be surprised! Go to ontheissues.org

Originally Posted by dmunda

Please tell me; why not Hillary? What is it about her that you don't like? I do like her! I think that it is silly to think that just because she is a woman that other women will vote for her based on that, alone. Are you implying that women are not educated on the issues? Again, if you want to talk abou the issues- bring it on. You might learn something. Should I assume( by your formula) that many men voted for Bush, because he was a war hungry man, and that they were uneducated on the issues?

Do I dislike her cause she a Female? No, I dis like her for many many reasons.
Your not convence she not a Maxist, That your own problem, and why she is dangerous. Many people do not remember her back ground, the events she took part in in the past. along with Bill. Siding with Communism when we were at War with them, is a Gaint Hint. Bill sending Aid and Troops to defend his past time Communist Friends while ignoring the Attacks to American Citizens back here in the States and aboard is another Gaint Hint.

John F Kennedy got many of the women's Votes cause of his young Age and looks. Proven facts. Now I think Kennedy was a good President, but he the last of the Good Democrats Presidents America had.

I have done some deep research on the Democrats, and started to write a book. But I end up stopping and just adding information on my website. But the Book was going to be called "The Fall of the USA." It is based on the Damages done by the Democrats and the Clintons.

[jcscuba]

Coastie: dmunda is home sucking her thumb, she hasn't posted in 3 weeks. I think I was a little to hard on her so she quit coming around. Enjoyed your comments, on the money.

[WiseOne]

Originally Posted by jcscuba

Coastie: dmunda is home sucking her thumb, she hasn't posted in 3 weeks. I think I was a little to hard on her so she quit coming around. Enjoyed your comments, on the money.

Yea, LOL, You must have pissed her off, well that's what usually happens when I talk to some people ESPECIALLY when I'm right, it makes them so mad they won't talk about it anymore...

[iammebo]

I just want you to know I agree. I am a woman and would like to see a woman as president but NOT Hillary Clinton. She proved she only says what she thinks people want to hear. She is the worst thing that could happen to this country ever. She is not to be trusted. I am proud I voted for Bush and would do it again. He did not want war but it is better to fight them over there than to have to fight them here. He knew that. Why don't other people know that? For goodness sakes they started it. Remember 9/11?