The Lingering What-If Question: Hillary?

[Herb Schaffler]

The Lingering What-If Question: Clinton?

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By Patrick Healy
NEW YORK TIMES - No power brokers in the Democratic Party are openly campaigning for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton as their vice-presidential nominee this year, and even Mrs. Clinton’s closest aides have stopped talking her up. Yet privately, some Democrats continue to see her as exactly the partner that Senator Barack Obama needs.
Clinton supporters have tried to make this point in recent weeks, winning language in the party’s convention platform that acknowledged Mrs. Clinton’s history-making candidacy, and praising her as a smart, seasoned policy wonk who could add ballast to Mr. Obama’s message of hope and change.
Indeed, a recent New York Times/CBS News poll of convention delegates found that 28 percent preferred Mrs. Clinton for vice president — by far the largest bloc supporting a candidate. (More than a third offered no opinion; 6 in 10 of Clinton-pledged delegates wanted her, but only 3 percent of Obama delegates named her.)
“I’ve gotten literally hundreds of letters over the last week from women saying they would still love it if she were the nominee, or if he would pick her,” said Geraldine A. Ferraro, a Clinton supporter and the only woman to be on a major-party ticket, as the Democratic vice-presidential nominee in 1984.
Now if only the two former rivals could get past ... oh, where to begin?
Think back to high school: In interviews on Monday, Clinton aides said they thought Mr. Obama did not like Mrs. Clinton. Clinton aides also said they thought Mr. Obama thinks Mrs. Clinton does not like him. And, like him or not, she is skeptical that he can win, her aides continue to say. Bottom line, chemistry might be a problem here.
While Mrs. Clinton, as running mate, might shepherd her blue-collar supporters in Ohio and Pennsylvania to the ticket, her earlier criticisms of Mr. Obama before those same voters might undercut a unity message. And what her fans see as “seasoned” experience is what many Obama supporters rejected during the primaries as “old Washington tactics,” a phrase that Mr. Obama has used to describe Clintonian politicking.

The Obama camp would also have to figure out former President Bill Clinton’s role in the months and years to come — a tricky task, perhaps, given that the arrangement of his speaking role at the convention was a protracted, somewhat clumsy affair.
“There’s a case for Hillary to be on the ticket, but the real question is, Is Bill a voice for the campaign and the administration, and what do you do about disclosing all of the donors to his foundation and his library?” said Robert Shrum, a veteran strategist of Democratic campaigns, referring to donor lists that the Clintons would not release during the primaries.
As for Mrs. Clinton, she is increasingly looking at the advantages of staying off the ticket, whether to run again in four or eight years or to capitalize on her presidential run to become an enduring national voice for women and working-class Americans.
“Picking her would have a groundswell impact on Democrats, but not picking her will leave her to have a new role leading on her issues — and supporting Barack for president,” said Alan Patricof, a longtime fund-raiser and friend of the Clintons.
An uninformed observer could be forgiven for assuming that next week’s Democratic convention in Denver was an Obama-Clinton affair: Michelle Obama speaking on Monday night, Mrs. Clinton on Tuesday, Mr. Clinton on Wednesday and Mr. Obama on Thursday. Women’s groups are also planning a parade and rally in Mrs. Clinton’s honor for next Tuesday in Denver. (A Clinton spokeswoman said Monday that she did not know whether Mrs. Clinton had been invited.)
If Mr. Obama does not select Mrs. Clinton, this four-night lineup will simply serve as another reminder that steps are needed to heal the wounds of the long primary season fight.
“I think the convention will help bring the wings of the party together, especially the fact that Senator Clinton’s name will be put in nomination for a roll-call vote; that will make a big difference,” said former Gov. Tom Vilsack of Iowa, a Clinton supporter. “As for picking Senator Clinton as vice president — that’s Senator Obama’s decision.”
That last line has been the official Clinton talking point this summer; even Ann Lewis, Mrs. Clinton’s former spokeswoman and one of her most unabashed champions, declined to comment on Monday about whether Democrats still wanted Mrs. Clinton as the running mate.
While never the most subtle bunch, Mrs. Clinton and her aides have maintained a low profile this summer, given that campaigning outright for the vice presidency has rarely paid off. Recently, as it became clear that Mr. Obama was nearing his choice, Mrs. Clinton’s aides stopped talking publicly about the vice presidency altogether.
Mr. Obama has given little indication that he is preparing to pick her — even though, her supporters note, she could help him in swing states and with key blocs of voters, and she could help raise millions of dollars. One donor to Mrs. Clinton attended a recent Obama fund-raiser in New York that netted about $500,000; if Mrs. Clinton had been the headliner, the donor wagered, it would have reaped $1 million.
Some Democrats do not rule out the possibility that Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton could be playing it supercool, only to increase the splash of seeing Mr. Obama, the junior senator from Illinois, reach out to his old bête noire, Mrs. Clinton, the junior senator from New York, to become the first black man and the first woman to seek the White House as nominees.
“If he determines that Hillary after all is the best choice to help him to win and to govern,” said Dan Gerstein, a Democratic consultant in New York, “they are capable of pulling off what would be the greatest head fake in American political history.”
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[PINWIZDE]

This is one prospect I dread! Speaking to a certain staff member of a Democratic Senator, who agreed with me that, if Obama picks Hillary to be his V.P. she will be the President. Hillary with her connection to Bill's underhanded thugs known as the "ARKANSAS MAFIA"will see to it that Obama has as unsuspecting DEMISE, and it will look like an accident! Obama is young and has captured the hearts and minds of both young and old, but not the Hillary supporters who don't know how crooked she really is!
It was too bad Mike H. didn't put out an arrest warrant for those two DRUG SMUGGLING MURDERERS, or was it hush money and the fact the CLINTONS did not return to ARKANSAS! Talk about CARPET BAGGING, and becoming a SENATOR from N.Y., when she wasn't even from N.Y. Goes to prove that typical NEW YORKERS are stupid when it comes to voting. Look how long it took to get Rockefeller out of the Governor's office. Everybody in America should take a test before they vote, on all issues and how well they know their candidates! If They pass they can vote if they fail , oh well, and finally we will get the right person in the Presidency, and not the last 3 idiots we did have for President! Obama with Hillary as V.P, will not even be running the country, if they don't kill him first, will be Bill's personal valet and shoeshine boy. What this country needs, more COCAINE in the WHITE HOUSE, and those two LAWBREAKERS running, or should I say ruining the country again!
Every person that I have spoken with of all races agree with me about one thing, Change in America does not include putting the Clintons back in the White House and finally put an end to Bush-Clinton reign of TYRANNY! I for one will not vote for Obama-Hillary ticket, but instead will step out of the box and WRITE IN MY OWN CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT! AMERICA VOTE ABSENTEE BALLOT - BOYCOTT THE POLLS IN NOVEMBER!

[Herb Schaffler]

Pin, why don't you go to the Bob Barr site and check him out? bobbarr2008.com.

I'm inclined to agree with you that if Obama picks Hillary as his VP, he'd better be looking over his shoulder. I think it might be a big exaggeration to claim that 40 or 80 people have died who knew too much about the Clintons, but there certainly are some suspicious deaths such as Foster, Parks, Ron Brown, former CIA agent Cohen. Christopher Ruddy, editor of Newsmax wrote a book about all the strange details of Vince Foster's death. Newt Gingrich has pointed out that there are a lot of strange details about his death. When Foster was killed, Gary Parks told his wife, "I'm a dead man". It was not long after that, that Parks was gunned down in Little Rock in front of witnesses. One witness claimed he recognized one of the gunmen as a former Arkansas state trooper. The murder was never investigated. Ron Brown had a hole in the top of his head the size of a 45 calibre bullet according to military forensic experts who were demoted for reporting it. They claimed there were x-rays that showed bullet fragments going down into his body. Those x-rays are now missing. Former CIA agent Cohen was investigating the Clinton scandals for Strategic Investment. He was found drowned. He supposedly left his door open and his computer on, something his friends said he never did. One person was shot in the head 4 times, it was ruled a suicide. Quite a trick for somebody committing suicide. Larry Klayman of Judicial Watch had some outstanding cases against the Clintons. He was run off the road in Dallas. Was that an attempt on his life, or was it just intended to scare him? A former coworker of mine told me a similar story of an aqaintance of his who was on the way to a grand jury hearing about the Clintons and was run off the road.

If Obama values his life, he'd better not pick Hillary as his VP.

[nohil-billy]

Pin, it would also help if we had an unbiased MSM that would vet Democratic candidates as well as they vet the Republicans. Unfortunately, the MSM is simply the "Communications" wing of the Democratic Party.

[nohil-billy]

THANK YOU LOU DOBBS!!!

The article speaks for itself.

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