She's up 7 points after the debate

[Herb Schaffler]

Hillary seems to be the only one that has benefitted by the debates. She's up 7 points. Everybody else in both parties have dropped since the debate with the excepttion of Fred Thompson who wasn't in the debate. He's up by 3 points.

[Herb Schaffler]

In the latest WNBC/Marist College poll: Hillary has 35% to Obama's 17%, and Edward's 15%. I guess the novelty is wearing off Obama.

She is ahead of Guiliani 48% to 43%. She is ahead of McCain 47% to 42%.

Is there any hope? I looked for a face that was vomiting, because that would better describe how I feel now. I think the only hope is for the Republicans to get a candidate with charisma and who is opposed to the war in Iraq. Paul opposes the war in Iraq, but he doesn't have charisma. Unless something dramatic happens, it looks like we'll be looking at a Hillary inauguration come January 2009. Anybody have any ideas on what can happen that might turn things around?

[Corvair]

Originally Posted by Herb Schaffler

In the latest WNBC/Marist College poll: Hillary has 35% to Obama's 17%, and Edward's 15%...She is ahead of Guiliani 48% to 43%. She is ahead of McCain 47% to 42%.

This poll doesn't make any sense to me. How could the PIAPS, after falling, falling, falling in the polls for the last three months, suddenly be ahead of every candidate in both parties? Could it be the result of a debate almost no one saw? I doubt it. It sounds more like some sort of push-poll to me. I'd like to know how the questions were phrased.

Herb, don't worry. The election is still a year and a half away.

[PeroW-Cheney]

I'm not sure about this particular snapshot in time, but what is the error on these polls? How many times do you see a poll where somebody has a 10 percent lead, but then the error is plus or minus 5 percent?

Take five away from the leader and then add five to the loser and you have a poll that doesn't tell you a #### thing! Yet it is treated like news. How come everybody ignores error?

[WiseOne]

I see what you are saying, PreoW-Cheney, BUT there are UNDOUBTEDLY signs that Hillary IS strong and I actually think she just might get the nomination at the very least. EVERYTHING I see is leading me to one very disturbing thought...Hillary for President, God help us all.

We HAVE to pull together, you all, make sure ALL your family and friends come in here and LEARN the TRUTH! It is imperative that we keep on this woman without ceasing...becuase she will NOT cease. Its going to take our constant vigilance on this, its not going to be easy...I've already seen that.

I have seen many, many indications, polls and the like that point to her...you can BET she knows that as well.

Bottom line, people, this is dead serious.

[AsNat]

No one candidate had so ambitios haters as she has. Why she is leading? Can she win even when more people will be against her than for her? I think yes. This is how Soviets used to be winners no matter how many people hated them. Or maybe they are going to release from prisons in key states some criminals like her husband did for her and she won senatorial election, together with her husband they have enough money. Then she will say "I didn't know anything about it" when she will be a winner. Perhaps somebody should ask Hitlery a question "Is it possible that your hasband or maybe brother are doing something illegal for you and you don't know now and it will be revealed later?

[Herb Schaffler]

The poll I mentioned above isn't the only poll that shows Hillary gaining steam. The Rasmussen poll after the debate also shows Hillary gaining 7 points and Obama losing 3 points. The last Rasmussen poll showed Obama with a 2 point lead, now he is 8 points below Hillary. I know Hillary has high negatives, but so do the Republicans. Whichever Democrat wins the nomination will go on to win the general election because the Republicans are bent on committing political suicide with their support of the Iraq war which is unpopular with the public.

After Hillary wins the nomination, she will pull to the center and start promoting family values and fool a lot of people. She already has Bruce Babbitt fooled. A new book has come out by Bay Buchanan entitled "The Extreme Makeover of Hillary (Rodham) Clinton". It shows how Hillary is posing as a centrist to get elected, but shows evidence that she is still an extreme leftist. It is really frustrating to me to see how many people are buying into her being a centrist. Unless the Republicans distance themselves from the Iraq war and unless Hillary can be exposed as the extreme leftist that she really is, I'm afraid it will be Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton.

[PeroW-Cheney]

Originally Posted by Herb Schaffler

Unless the Republicans distance themselves from the Iraq war and unless Hillary can be exposed as the extreme leftist that she really is, I'm afraid it will be Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton.

George Bush didn't distance himself from the Iraq war and he won re-election (unlike his father). The war on terrorism is volitile and it is possible we could get hit on our soil again or it is possible Iraq gains stability before election day. We may have Iran or another situation develop before the election. But I think you could be right if the situation remains stagnant and grows tiresome over the next year and a half. It is a sad situation when we import our political ideology from Hollywood and Soros in Yugoslavia.

I like to remember that the soldiers in Iraq vote also. Why are there no polls about what they think? Or are we supposed to believe they've all been killed? I'll be excited to see when this class of veterans comes home and we have candidates who actually served in the war on terror.

[WiseOne]

Originally Posted by Herb Schaffler

Unless the Republicans distance themselves from the Iraq war and unless Hillary can be exposed as the extreme leftist that she really is, I'm afraid it will be Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton.

I think you are right even though it makes my stomach turn to think of this. Hillary will not be shown as the evil leftist she is because Iraq will now dominate the headlines for some time as the quagmire goes on between the Senate and George W Bush. Perfect timing is what will make Hillary President.

Don't worry, let's keep up the fight, hold our head's high and do the best we possibly can to reach people with brains...