Jesus Would Be Appalled By American Selfishness

[Irish_4boys]

I don't think women vote on looks- and frankly I take offense that you think so. All of my female friends vote on the issues-not looks! I can prove my point - I live in Wisconsin and we have the ugliest (also most corrupt and unfortunatly democrat govenor). Between your comments and NoHitlerys I am not feeling very welcome here and that is too bad....

[NoHitlery]

Originally Posted by Irish_4boys

I don't think women vote on looks- and frankly I take offense that you think so. All of my female friends vote on the issues-not looks! I can prove my point - I live in Wisconsin and we have the ugliest (also most corrupt and unfortunatly democrat govenor). Between your comments and NoHitlerys I am not feeling very welcome here and that is too bad....

I sure didn't mean to suggest that all women would vote on looks if I said that I must have been throwing clots or something. All intelligent women, even Democrats are welcomed. I did take a shot at Democrats not being intelligent, but when you think about it, the lefty's aren't. My apology to you, keep on posting. NH

[Herb Schaffler]

There are some smart women voters like you, Irish 4boys, but there are some people, not just women, who vote for candidates on a very superficial basis. Some women voted for Bill Clinton because they thought he was sexy the way he bit his lower lip. There are some women who are ready to vote for Hillary just because she is a woman. There are some blacks who will vote for Obama just because he is black. Many of those same blacks would even vote for a black conservative just because he's black. I wish people who vote on such a superficial basis would not even vote. It is a very serious thing who we elect for President.

[nohil-billy]

When it was discovered that John Edwards' campaign hired two far left leaning bloggers who had published, in rather disgusting verbage, anti-Catholic sentiments, John Edwards forgave them, kept them on his payroll, and said that they had a right to their opinion. It seems that Mr. Edwards was more worried about how appalled his liberal base would be if he fired them, rather than how appalled Jesus would be at what they said.

What qualifications does this poodle have to interpret when Jesus would be appalled and when he wouldn't? Oh, maybe as an ambulance chasing personal injury lawyer, Mr. Edwards feels he has Carte Blanche to represent any dead man for his own personal gain.

I'm appalled!

[NoHitlery]

Originally Posted by nohil-billy

When it was discovered that John Edwards' campaign hired two far left leaning bloggers who had published, in rather disgusting verbage, anti-Catholic sentiments, John Edwards forgave them, kept them on his payroll, and said that they had a right to their opinion. It seems that Mr. Edwards was more worried about how appalled his liberal base would be if he fired them, rather than how appalled Jesus would be at what they said.

What qualifications does this poodle have to interpret when Jesus would be appalled and when he wouldn't? Oh, maybe as an ambulance chasing personal injury lawyer, Mr. Edwards feels he has Carte Blanche to represent any dead man for his own personal gain.

I'm appalled!

It is is a real shame that Poodle Boy couldn't have defended the estate of Vince Foster and the cover up of his "suicide"

[nohil-billy]

Poodle boy may still defend Foster if it will close the gap between him and Hillary.

[oz007]

May God Bless Vincent Foster ,and the new Vincent Fost "Attorney Gardiner" Nussbaum's assistant found Dead recently one Town away from Hillary in Bedford New York "ina bird scantuary called Bulter Park - -I guess the riddle is ? If you take - -we leave you in the Bird Sactuary - -i wish some one would end this nonsense
The Death Of Vincent Foster

Hillary's fingerprints on Foster's records

FIRST LADY'S FINGERPRINTS ON BILLING RECORDS (House of Representatives -April 30, 1996) [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This No Hillary For President Forum Link. [Page: H4166]The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a previous order of the House, thegentleman from Indiana [Mr. Burton] is recognized for 5 minutes.[Page: H4167]<>Mr. BURTON of Indiana. Mr. Speaker, Newsweek magazine reported this weekthat the FBI had discovered Mrs. Hillary Rodham Clinton's fingerprintson billing records from the Rose law firm discovered at the White Housein January. These billing records have been under subpoena and could notbe found for over 2 years. Nobody knew where they were. And yet, justrecently, they were found in President Clinton and Mrs. Clinton'spersonal residence at the White House by Mrs. Clinton's secretary.Independent counsel Kenneth Starr is investigating to determine ifanyone obstructed justice by hiding the subpoenaed records. The billingrecords supply important information about Mrs. Clinton's work forMadison Guaranty Savings & Loan and the Castle Grande real estateprojects. Arkansas Governor Jim Guy Tucker, who at the time this wastaking place was the Lieutenant Governor under President Clinton, is ontrial right now in Arkansas for fraud because hedefaulted on loans over$1 million related to Castle Grande.Now, Mrs. Clinton was the billing partner at the Rose Law Firm for theMadison Guaranty Savings & Loan account. However, she stated in a swornstatement to the Resolution Trust Corporation that she did very littlework for Madison Guaranty and could not recall the Castle Grandeproject.Yet, these mysterious billing records, that could not be found for over2 years that were just found, tell a different story. They show that shehad 14 meetings and conversations with Madison executives about CastleGrande and she drafted a comprehensive option agreement for thisproject.Regarding the fingerprints, White House lawyers told reporters that Mrs.Clinton reviewed the billing records during the campaign in 1992. Now,this sounds strange, because if she reviewed them in 1992, she shouldhave remembered that she had done extensive work on this project and onthis comprehensive option agreement for the project.Anyhow, they said that the fingerprints on the telephone records canremain intact on paper and other materials for years, so herfingerprints on the billing records do not necessarily mean that she sawthe records recently.Now, this is very interesting, Mr. Speaker, because when Vincent Fosterdied, you remember Vincent Foster , the assistant counsel to thePresident at the White House, when Vincent Foster died, a suicide notewas found in his briefcase. At least that is what they called it.Despite the fact that it had been torn into 28 pieces, you have to tearit to get 28 pieces 14 of 15 times, there was not one single fingerprinton any one of those pieces. Investigators and various Clintonadministration officials said at the time that it was not unusual,because fingerprints do not attach themselves easily to paper.Now, here we have the President's wife, the First Lady, Hillary RodhamClinton, her fingerprints are all over these telephone records thatnobody could find for 2 years and were found in their residence, whilethey were under subpoena, incidentally, and they are saying that it isnot unusual for the fingerprints to be attached to paper, and that sheprobably attached them to those documents in 1992 during thePresidential campaign.Now, you cannot have it both ways. Either it can be attached to paper,you can get fingerprints on paper, or you cannot. Her fingerprints wereon the documents, but the fingerprints were not on Vince Foster 'salleged suicide note.Adding to the mystery, the first two times that the White House counselat the time, Bernie Nussbaum, search Vincent Foster 's briefcase, he didnot find any torn up note. The note was found 6 days later when anotherWhite House aide searched the briefcase for a third time.Now, Mr. Speaker, it has to be one way or the other. If fingerprintsattach themselves easily to paper and stay there for years, there is noexplanation for why Vincent Foster 's note had no fingerprints on them,especially since it had been torn into 28 pieces. And if fingerprints donot attach themselves easily to paper and if they wear off quickly, thenMrs. Clinton must have handled the billing records more recently thanher aides are saying, which was 4 years ago, in 1992.All, the following is a partial list of deaths of persons connected to and/or during President Clinton’s tenure as Governor of Arkansas and as President of the United States.

Read The List and judge for yourself.

JAMES MCDOUGAL. Clinton’s convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. McDougal was a key witness in Kenneth Starr’s investigation.

MARY MAHONEY- A former White House intern was murdered July 6, 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened during the pre-trial publicity surrounding the Paula Jones lawsuit. days after Newsweek’s Mike Isakoff dropped hints that a former White House staffer was about to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

VINCENT FOSTER- Former White House counselor, and former colleague of Hillarv Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose law firm. Foster was found dead July 20, 1993 of a gunshot to the head ruled a suicide.

RON BROWN-Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported to the Bob Grant Radio Show a "hole" in top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

C. VICTOR RAISER II -Former National finance Go-Chairman, Clinton for President Campaign and son MONTGOMERY RAISER died in a private plane crash in Alaska, July30th,1992. Raiser was described as a "major player" in the Clinton organization by Dee Dee Meyers.

PAUL TULLEY. Democrat National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, Arkansas September 24, 1992, Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".

ED WILLEY-Clinton fund raiser-found dead November 30, 1993 deep in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide, Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed that Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

JERRY PARKS-Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house

JAMES BUNCH-Died from a gunshot suicide. Reported to have a "black book" of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

JAMES WILSON-Was found dead May 18, 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. Was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

KATHY FERGUSON- Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson died in May,1994 was found dead in her living room with a gunshot wound to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Corbin Jones lawsuit. She was reported a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones case.

BILL SHELTON. Arkansas state Trooper and Fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the gravesite of his fiancee.

GANDY BAUGH -Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater died by jumping out a window of a tall building January , 1991. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

FLORENCE MARTIN-Accountant subcontractor for the CIA related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Dead of three gunshot wounds.

SUZANNE COLEMAN. Reportedly has an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General, Died of a gunshot wound to hack of head, ruled a suicide, was pregnant at the time her death.

PAULA GROBER - Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

DANNY CASOLARO. Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparent suicide in the middle of his investigation.

PAUL WILCHER-Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC Apartment. Had delivered report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

JON PARNELL WALKER-Whitewater Investigator for Resolution Trust Corporation. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal.

BARBARA WISE-Commerce Department Staffer-worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

CHARLES MEISSNER-Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

DR. STANLEY HEARD. Chair National Chiropractic Heath Care Advisory committee died with his attorney .

STEVE DICKSON in a small plane crash. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton’s advisory council personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.

BARRY SEAL. drug running pilot out of Mena, Arkansas, Death was no accident.

JOHNNY LAWHON Jr.- Mechanic, found a check made out to Clinton in the trunk of a car left in his repair shop. Died when his car hit a utility pole.

STANLEY MUGGINS-Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee.

His report was never released.

HERSHELL FRIDAY-Attorney & Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

KEVIN IVES & DON HENRY-Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas Airport Drug operation. Controversial case where initial report of death was due to falling asleep on railroad track. Later reports claim the two had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many people linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING SIX PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

KEITH CONEY. Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck in July, 1988:

KEITH McMASKLE. Died, stabbed 113 times, November 1988.

GREGORY COLLINS-Died from a gunshot wound, January 1989. JEFF RHODES-He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

JAMES MILAN. Found decapitated-Coroner ruled death due to natural causes.

JORDAN KETTLESON-Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.

RICHARD WINTERS . Winters was a suspect in the Ives/Henry deaths.

Was killed in set-up robbery in July 1989.

THE FOLLOWING FORMER CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:

MAJOR WILLIAM S. BARKLEY JR.

CAPTAIN SCOTT J.REYNOLDS

SGT. BRIAN HANEY

SGT. TIM SABEL

MAJOR GENERAL WILLIAM ROBERTSON

COL. WILLIAM DENSBERGER

COL. ROBERT KELLY

SPEC. GARY RHODES

STEVE WILLIS

ROBERT WILLIAMS

CONWAY LeBLEU

TODD McKEEHAN

THE WHITEWATER AFFAIR: WHITE HOUSE; New Misstatements Admitted In Handling of Foster's Files

By MICHAEL WINES,
The White House said today that it had given a misleading account for months of how senior officials had disposed of files on President Clinton's Whitewater real estate investment that were found in the office of Vincent W. Foster Jr. after his suicide a year ago. It was the third time since December that officials have acknowledged inaccurate or incomplete explanations of how they dealt with papers in Mr. Foster's office.
Ex-Aide Explains His Whitewater Role to House Panel

By NEIL A. LEWIS
A group of present and former White House officials paraded before the House committee investigating the Whitewater affair today, several of them insisting that they did not press a senior Treasury Department official and friend of the President to remain involved in a politically sensitive investigation of an Arkansas savings and loan. The primary witness today was Bernard W. Nussbaum, the former White House counsel who spent much of the morning answering questions before the House Ba...
THE WHITEWATER AFFAIR: WHITE HOUSE; New Misstatements Admitted In Handling of Foster's Files

By MICHAEL WINES,
The White House said today that it had given a misleading account for months of how senior officials had disposed of files on President Clinton's Whitewater real estate investment that were found in the office of Vincent W. Foster Jr. after his suicide a year ago. It was the third time since December that officials have acknowledged inaccurate or incomplete explanations of how they dealt with papers in Mr. Foster's office.

[nohil-billy]

It may be the cynic in me but the assertion that he doesn't want the sympathy vote, coming from a rich personal injury lawyer, just rings hollow.

[NoHitlery]

Cato Institute:

It Takes a Hillage

by David Boaz
[LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This No Hillary For President Forum Link. is executive vice president of the Cato Institute and author of [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This No Hillary For President Forum Link. .

More than two million people have viewed a video on YouTube that mocks Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton as an Orwellian Big Sister. It's a "mash-up" of the 1984 Super Bowl commercial that portrayed IBM as Big Brother. In the new version, Hillary is on the big screen, droning on about "a national conversation" and "we're all part of the solution...the American team" until a young blonde woman throws a sledgehammer into her giant image.
The creator of the video was anonymous. But he was discovered to be an employee of the company that created Sen. Barack Obama's campaign website. The company fired him, presumably for creating a much more effective anti-Hillary ad than anything the campaign and its consultants had produced officially.
The image of Hillary Clinton on a giant screen reminded me of one of the proposals in her book, It Takes a Village.
The book epitomizes the nanny state in contemporary America. Beginning with the sensible if overused proverb that "it takes a village" to raise children, she ends up calling on all 300 million Americans to raise each child. Of course, we can't possibly all take responsibility for millions of children. Clinton calls for "a consensus of values and a common vision of what we can do today, individually and collectively, to build strong families and communities." But there is not and -- let's be honest -- cannot be any such collective consensus.
In any free society, millions of people will have different ideas about how to form families, how to rear children, and how to associate voluntarily with others. Those differences are not just a result of a lack of understanding each other; no matter how many Harvard seminars and National Conversations we have, we will never come to a national consensus on such intimate moral matters. Clinton implicitly recognizes that when she insists that there will be times when "the village itself [she means the federal government] must act in place of parents" and accept "those responsibilities in all our names through the authority we vest in government." She fundamentally rejects the American tradition of liberty. She says that government must make the decisions about how we raise our children.
And what about that giant screen? Even when the government doesn't step in to take children from their parents, Clinton sees it constantly advising, nagging, hectoring parents: "Videos with scenes of commonsense baby care -- how to burp an infant, what to do when soap gets in his eyes, how to make a baby with an earache comfortable -- could be running continuously in doctors' offices, clinics, hospitals, motor vehicle offices, or any other place where people gather and have to wait," she writes. The childcare videos could alternate with videos on the Food Pyramid, the evils of smoking and drugs, the need for recycling, the techniques of safe sex, the joys of physical fitness, and all the other things the responsible adult citizens of a complex modern society need to know. Sort of like the telescreen in Orwell's 1984 -- or the YouTube video.
When President Bill Clinton announced that by his own authority he was issuing new regulations on tobacco and smoking in the name of "the young people of the United States," he said, "We're their parents, and it is up to us to protect them." Hillary Clinton told Newsweek, "There is no such thing as other people's children." These are profoundly anti-family claims. Instead of recognizing parents as moral agents who can and must take responsibility for their own decisions and actions, the Clintons would absorb them into a giant mass of collective parenting directed by the federal government as Big Sister or Big Nanny. When everybody is everyone's parent, no one is a parent any more.
Too often these days, the government treats adult citizens as children. It takes more and more money from those who produce it, doling it back to us like an allowance, through a smorgasbord of "transfer programs" ranging from Head Start and student loans to farm subsidies, corporate welfare, unemployment programs, and Social Security. It doesn't trust us to decide for ourselves (even in consultation with our doctors) what medicines to take, or where our children should go to school, or what we can access through our computers.
Many conservatives want to be your daddy, telling you what to do and what not to do, and many liberals want to be your mommy, feeding you, tucking you in, and setting your curfew. But the proper role for the government of a free society is to treat adults as adults, responsible for making their own decisions and accepting the consequences.
And that's why the image of a nagging, hectoring Hillary Clinton on a giant telescreen seems altogether too real.

This article appeared on [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This No Hillary For President Forum Link. on March 27, 2007.

[nohil-billy]

I hope suckling is not part of the equation!