"Your Brothers Keeper?!

[jamwadmag]

"Your Brothers Keeper?!"

When is America suppose to intervene into International affairs as 'their brothers keeper,' and when do we stay out?! Shud we have been involved with S. Viet Nam? Failure of policy and bailing, leaving our 'allies' to be slaughtered', doesnt mean we were wrong to go help them. What about Israel? Many would like to bail on them. And, if Japan wouldnt have attacked us 1st, and then Germany declared war on us, would we have gotten involved in WWII?? The answer is 'Yes,' but at a later date when Hitler & the Emperor came knocking on our door!! That was the same deal with Communism---we had to make a stand in Cuba when Nuclear missiles were being installed there---that was also 'pre-emptive' in our threats and near 'miliary' response!

To all the deluded peace-niks out there, I say that you are in denial, out-of-touch with reality and history(!), and it has been proven over-and-over-and-over again that Isolationism doesnt work!! Sorry Ron Paul, you are wrong. If we have to wait for a direct threat (such as Pearl Harbor and 9-11) we will be on the under-dog side and may not be able to save ourselves---we were oh so close to loosing in the Pacific---many believed that Divine intervention is what saved us.

So, denial ppl, with their heads-up-their-azzes, 'words of peace' would not have worked on Germany, Japan, Iraq, Hamas, etc. Get real!!!! Wakeup!!!

[smoothbore]

Now you've done it! You've probably riled Herb who will again lets us know that WW II and the attack on Pearl harbor by Japan was our fault, as was Viet Nam, 9/11, etc.

You couldn't just leave it alone!

Patrick

[Herb Schaffler]

This brother's keeper matter reminds me of our welfare state. Just as our politicians and bureaucrats beleive people in this country can't run their own affairs, they believe that people in other countries can't take care of their own affairs. We always have to be there to fight their battles and give handouts. Just as our welfare recipients will never get on their own feet because they've become dependent on the Government, so too, governments of other countries have come to rely on our military and our handouts and will never gain the independence to run their own affairs.

If there is a bully in the area, it is up to smaller countries in the area to form alliances to repel that bully. It is not the place of America to be the policeman of the world. There is no provision for that in the Constitution and according to the 10th Amendment, the federal government only has those powers delegated to by the Constitution.

"What about Israel? Many would like to bail on them."

Israel with all their nukes and modern military can take care of themselves. They're the most powerful nation in the Middle East.

"if Japan wouldnt have attacked us 1st, and then Germany declared war on us, would we have gotten involved in WWII?? The answer is 'Yes,' but at a later date when Hitler & the Emperor came knocking on our door!! "

Germany and Japan had no intention of ever attacking America. Hitler had stated in 1936 that he believed the US, Great Britain, and Germany would be the three powers of the world. He was perfectly happy for the US to control the Americas, Great Britain to control Asia and Africa and for Germany to control Eastern Europe and Russia. Japan only attacked us because FDR provoked them to do so as a back door into the war to help England.

"That was the same deal with Communism---we had to make a stand in Cuba when Nuclear missiles were being installed there"

We did make a stand through negotiations. We removed our nukes from Turkey in exchange for getting the Soviets to remove theirs from Cuba.

"that was also 'pre-emptive' in our threats and near 'miliary' response!"

That was all for political show. JFK had to look tough to make up for the Bay of Pigs fiasco. All the time this bluster was going on, negotiations were being made to remove nukes from Turkey in exchange for the Soviets removing them from Cuba.

"and it has been proven over-and-over-and-over again that Isolationism doesnt work!!"

When and where has this been proven? I think Switzerland has done quite well by being a neutral country.

"If we have to wait for a direct threat (such as Pearl Harbor and 9-11)"

Both of those were provoked, Pearl Harbor deliberately, 9/11 was blowback from our policies in the Middle East. Neither of those events would have happened if it weren't for our meddling foreign policy. As long as we have a strong defense and leave other countries alone, there is no reason for any country or group of terrorists to attack us.

"'words of peace' would not have worked on Germany, Japan, Iraq, Hamas, etc."

There was no need for England or America to go to war with Germany. We should have let Germany fight it out with the Soviets and let them weaken each other and maybe we would not have been bothered by either of them. There was no reason to go to war with Japan. They had no designs on America. They only attacked us because FDR deliberately provoked them with his sanctions. They felt they could win some key battles with America and then we would leave them alone to pursue their desires in running Asia. They believed Asia should be run by Asians instead of by the British and French. There was no reason to get involved in war with Iraq. It was none of our business. Iraq posed no threat to us. Hamas was formed in response to Israel's treatment of Palestinians as second class citizens and Israel's program of ethnic cleansing. This is an issue for Israel and Palestinians to work out. It's none of our business.

Jam, I'm afraid you're the one who needs to get real and wakeup and stop following the propaganda of the warmongers.

[jamwadmag]

Originally Posted by smoothbore

Now you've done it! You've probably riled Herb who will again lets us know that WW II and the attack on Pearl harbor by Japan was our fault, as was Viet Nam, 9/11, etc.

You couldn't just leave it alone!

Patrick

I'm just "1 small voice crying in the wilderness,"....saying WAKEUP Libs!!!!

[To all of them, including 'the sleeping 'Libs who dont know who or what they are!' LOL]

[jamwadmag]

Originally Posted by Herb Schaffler

This brother's keeper matter reminds me of our welfare state. Just as our politicians and bureaucrats beleive people in this country can't run their own affairs, they believe that people in other countries can't take care of their own affairs. We always have to be there to fight their battles and give handouts. Just as our welfare recipients will never get on their own feet because they've become dependent on the Government, so too, governments of other countries have come to rely on our military and our handouts and will never gain the independence to run their own affairs.

If there is a bully in the area, it is up to smaller countries in the area to form alliances to repel that bully. It is not the place of America to be the policeman of the world. There is no provision for that in the Constitution and according to the 10th Amendment, the federal government only has those powers delegated to by the Constitution.



Jam, I'm afraid you're the one who needs to get real and wakeup and stop following the propaganda of the warmongers.

I see the Isolationists as the same ppl who would be walking down a street, see a victim being brutalized, and then say "it's not MY business,' and keep on walking---or to satisfy their conscience, call 911, and THEN keep on walking so as not to have to get involved and file a report!! Selfishness, self-focused, and not the 'Goodness' that made America the country that it is!...yet they want us to go into places like Somalia and now Darfur and get involved---what hypocrites!!