She's Out, No She's In

[nohil-billy]

Hillary gave a speech to the Human Rights Council last Friday afternoon assuring them that she would overturn the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy implemented by her husband, and allow gays to serve openly in the military. She also stated that this was the parternship she would have with the gay coalition if elected, adding that the White House doors would always be open to them. So I guess we now have an inkling of Hillary's position on gay rights.

Yet by giving an unpublicized speech on the slowest news day of the week, one can only wonder if Hillary's support is a tad closeted.

[Gangstamike]

Don't ask, don't tell is the most retarded thing i have ever heard. First they pass it because gays are getting picked on boo hoo. Now hellary wants to do away with it and so does the gay croud. Why can't the policy just be if you gay and you know it clap your hands and that be the end of it?
I just don't see why this is so important, when your in the Military( any branch of the Military), you shouldn't be worried if someones gay. You should be worried about staying alive.

[nohil-billy]

I was in the service long before "don't ask, don't tell" and we had several gays aboard ship. They ranged from the closeted suspected gays to the limp-wristed, swishers who made no attempt to hide their sexual preference. I never saw them "hit on" anybody and nobody shunned them. There were those who made the nasty comments behind their backs but for the most part they were treated as part of the team and they did their jobs as well as anybody else.

I disagree with a lot of the demands that gay people make, don't want to make them a protected minority, and don't care at all for the way they publicly flaunt their sexuality, but they are members of our society and, like it or not, should be accorded the same basic rights that the rest of us enjoy. This includes wanting to serve one's country.

[lenahan]

Gay rights is not the issue, it is gay marriage (no, i'm not playing with semantics). We are not discussing their rights to free speech, religion, etc..., but the right to marry. The fact is that I do not think taxpayer dollars should be spent on deciding wether joe and james can marry. I think our money should be spent on national security and the destruction of the democratic party (what, I can dream, can't I). Call it what you want, but they are people and they should be able to have some form of union.

[Brickman]

Originally Posted by Gangstamike

Don't ask, don't tell is the most retarded thing i have ever heard. First they pass it because gays are getting picked on boo hoo. Now hellary wants to do away with it and so does the gay croud. Why can't the policy just be if you gay and you know it clap your hands and that be the end of it?
I just don't see why this is so important, when your in the Military( any branch of the Military), you shouldn't be worried if someones gay. You should be worried about staying alive.

Mike you are wise beyond your years. Guys like you truly are the only hope this country has, when the libs are hell bent on destroying every thing that America has stood for.

[PeroW-Cheney]

The thing that gets me is how the gay rights agenda has everyone convinced that sex is involuntary like the hiccups or skin color.

Sometimes I get so angry at somebody, I want to kill them. I want that person to be dead. But I don't do it.

I'm sure if I did kill somebody, after so many times I could remember how I always had this desire to murder. Does this make me entitled to some kind of understanding or excuse because I can remember fantasizing about murder back when I was 5 years old? I was born a murderer, right? I can't help it.

[PeroW-Cheney]

Originally Posted by Gangstamike

Don't ask, don't tell is the most retarded thing i have ever heard.

If it wasn't the best plan for America, then why didn't Clinton veto it? Seems to me that the opportunity to get it done right would have been the first time.

[OhMy]

Originally Posted by nohil-billy

I was in the service long before "don't ask, don't tell" and we had several gays aboard ship. They ranged from the closeted suspected gays to the limp-wristed, swishers who made no attempt to hide their sexual preference. I never saw them "hit on" anybody and nobody shunned them. There were those who made the nasty comments behind their backs but for the most part they were treated as part of the team and they did their jobs as well as anybody else.

I disagree with a lot of the demands that gay people make, don't want to make them a protected minority, and don't care at all for the way they publicly flaunt their sexuality, but they are members of our society and, like it or not, should be accorded the same basic rights that the rest of us enjoy. This includes wanting to serve one's country.

You say, "I disagree with a lot of the demands that gay people make, don't want to make them a protected minority, and don't care at all for the way they publicly flaunt their sexuality..."

I say, "The truth is, making gay people a protected minority wouldn't be necessary if we were treated as equal citizens. In fact, any citizen, no matter what their culture, gender, abled/disabled, religion, etc. would need to be classified as a minority if all were just respected and appreciated as fellow human beings. Unfortunately, this is not the case. So, measures have to be taken to insure protections for those who are ridiculed for their being different from the MAJORITY of humans. And, since gay people who are citizens or even those who are here from other countries on an educational permit or work permit do pay taxes too, then it is only right that we should have protections. I do want to say, thank you for making the point that gay people serve their country as well as any other person in the military.

[nohil-billy]

You know what OhMy, I have known a few gay people in my lifetime that I would gladly associate with just the same as white, black, latino, disabled, etc... but if you're going to have a chip on your shoulder for any reason and try to capitalize on what makes you different from the majority of society, then I wouldn't want to have anything to do with you and no, I don't think you should be protected.

Case in point is a story I heard of a disabled man in a wheelchair who goes out on the town every day and looks for businesses he can't gain access to. He will then go to his lawyer and file a lawsuit under the ADA. He's out to make money and prove a point. Do I think he should be protected because he's disabled. No! If anything, I think his wheelchair should be disabled.

Most gay people assimilate during the day and then do whatever it is they do in the privacy of their own clubs or homes. But there is a segment of gay society who attend Gay Days at the ballpark or at Disney World and carry on in front of families as if they're in their bedrooms. I believe it's the majority that need to be protected from these vulgar perverts.

Tell me, and be specific, what it is that you are unable to do in this society as a gay person that the majority can do?

[nohil-billy]

I thought so!!!