A Short Hillary Clinton Political Biography

[WiseOne]

Hillary Clinton is by no means stupid and is a very serious contender. Do NOT take her for granted...throw out your apathy NOW or perish later when she is in control!

A Short Hillary Clinton Fact Sheet.

[jcscuba]

If it's yours it's going to be mine!

[jcscuba]

On a serious note, her ill fated attempt to take over the Health Care Industry the first time she "was President" will come to fruition if she were to be elected. The majority of the electorate is so ignorant that "free health care" sounds just great. Currently our HCS represents around 17% of our GDP. Nationalize it and we will have the broken down model of most European systems and Canada. Absolutely our system could use some tuning, but if you choose to smoke 3 packs a day, and have a six pack of Bud why should I pay for your "free insurance"? This woman must be stopped!

[dmunda]

Originally Posted by jcscuba

On a serious note, her ill fated attempt to take over the Health Care Industry the first time she "was President" will come to fruition if she were to be elected. The majority of the electorate is so ignorant that "free health care" sounds just great. Currently our HCS represents around 17% of our GDP. Nationalize it and we will have the broken down model of most European systems and Canada. Absolutely our system could use some tuning, but if you choose to smoke 3 packs a day, and have a six pack of Bud why should I pay for your "free insurance"? This woman must be stopped!

You are paying for many things that you may not agre with, and you are already paying for the elderly and poor, so why not contribute to your own healthcare. My mother is a nurse, and she works two jobs and has been uninsured for years, because the cost is too high. I have a mother in law who works and her job does not offer even partial pay for health care coverage. That is just two examples of many who go with out coverage. You would not be giving anyone a free ride with a National health care plan. I must assume that you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth, because of your greedy and unapathetic behavior. Believe it or not, the European and Canadian models do work- that is why many of our uninsured cross the border into Canada to buy needed medication. I guess you are happy letting the corporations run this country. By the way, who do you work for Merck?

[jcscuba]

You need a serious time out before you continue posting. I'm very sorry to hear about the two people you know that made a choice not to purchase insurance. The health care systems in Western European systems are destroying the economy and growth of their countries. Canada is a joke...factually if you need a CAT scan you better be a cat. Interestingly, I did work in the Health Care Industry for 31 years, we have our flaws, but like you mentioned before, you want to have an intelligent discussion? Bring it on.

[jcscuba]

Why not contribute to my own care? How about I always have, it's called purchasing it. I guess you think that a contribution when it comes in the form of increased taxes isn't extorsion? Feel free to include your address, so I can send you my monthly insurance premium.

[dmunda]

Please do not patronize me. Maybe I came on a little too harsh, and that is my mistake, but I am very passionate about certain issues. Let me correct you on one thing- my family members did not have a choice when it came to health care, unless you consider giving your whole paycheck to some insurance company like Cigna or Pacificare, and then what were they suppose to live on? Do you not have any compassion in your soul? You have to understand that not everyone is given the same set of circumstances. I am happy to hear that you are lucky enough to pay for your insurance and still have money in the bank ( and pay for the welfare and elderly too). We pay taxes, that is a fact, and our taxes should go to providing health care for all, including ourselves. My mother works two jobs and pays enough in that she should have health care coverage. Why is fair for her to pay for the welfare and the elderly and not contribute to her own? That is where the issue is, can't you understand that? I think that there are people who assume that it is giving to the lazy, and that is a fallacy. It would be providing a system for us all. I am deeply sorry if I offended you. I would like to have a discussion wth out the name calling, because that gets us no where. We can all learn from one another here.

[jcscuba]

Who is doing that? You make assumptions based on "facts" that don't have a basis in fact. Certainly people pay for health care and Medicare for other's with the promise that they too will receive it one day themselves. You don't want to call names, yet you question my compassion? I question your logic....When I hear the term it's not fair, then I know I'm listening to somebody that believes that the government knows better, or make that other people, know how to spend your money better than you do. As for your comment that I'm lucky to be able to afford health care. Luck had nothing to do with it, I worked my bunns off, made decisions about how I chose to spend my money, and life style choices that hopefully will lead to a long and healthy life. As far as your mom is conserned working two jobs and no insurance? I look at that as her choice. Is she being held at gun point to work these two jobs? (stay with me here, I'm not patronizing you) My sister is also a nurse, a LVN at the bottom of the medical food chain, she has insurance. Factually, if a person has anything seriously wrong with them they can appear at an ER and be treated for free. Yes, that's expensive and hurts the healt care system. But I'm being serious here, your Mom's situation is one of choice or circumstance, If I'm forced to pay for her insurance in what way is that "fair" to me? Why don't you as her daughter pay for her insurance? Universal Health Insurance will drive away what little quality still remains in our present system. It needs to be fixed, but by market forces, not the Government. Were you aware that under Hillary's plan, you and your mom would be forced to go to selected physicians, and if a non selected physician treated you or you attempted to pay out of pocket you would have both been guilty of committing a felony? This is really why Hillary Clinton scares the heck out of me. She held all her meeting without real input from the real world health care sector in secret and I certainly doubt she would do any different as President. Not to worry, you didn't offend me, I care equally about these issues, my country, and the probablilty that we will be leaving it to our kids and grandchildren in much worse shape than we were fortunate enough to experience the American Dream. I attribute most of what is wrong with America to ill conceived government programs. So bring it on ;-):) P.S. Though I voted for President Bush, I'm nolonger a fan as I see him cave in on his economic principles.

[drig23]

Here's the thing. Wages might be slowly going up, in comparison to inflation, but people's paychecks are smaller because health insurance costs are rising at a faster rate than wages. I have a small business, and I'm paying over $1000/month for health and dental for my family. Last year, it was $850/month. Obviously, I'm willing to put in this money, because I have kids who need to see the doctor occasionally. Still, I have to wonder what can be done about the rising costs. A lot of people are like me.

Hillary has experience with this. Granted, I won't vote for her for other reasons, but she's got traction on this issue. The Republicans don't have an plan for reducing the cost of healthcare for my company. They don't seem to care about me, the middle class, at all. When they fought against allowing Medicare to bargain for prices, it smells like they're in the pocket of the pharmaceutical companies. My healthcare costs won't go down when they're in office.

Until the Republicans come up with a plan on how to help small businesses pay for their healthcare costs, they're going to bleed on this issue. Hillary has one. So does Richardson and that pretty guy...Edwards. McCain doesn't, Rudy doesn't, Romney doesn't. Actually, Huckabee kind of does. I like him, except that rabid religious zealots like Huckabee and Osama Bin Laden freak me out. Obama doesn't, but, then again, I don't think he really knows how government works.

-Dave

[WiseOne]

Drig23,

I agree that the Republicans have a long way to go to win this next election...doubtful that they will at this rate as, you are right, they have NO plans to help small business, working men, etc...

IF the Republicans have any chance at all in beating Hillary in 2008, they need someone who will break from the crowd, shrug off the "I'm for the rich" stereotype, STOP spending our money in every conceivable place they can spend it and actually help true Americans, come up with a "plan", period, find someone who is a charismatic speaker who can appeal to even the Liberals (not a bumbler), someone who is "REAL" is what is needed to beat Hillary Clinton...Hillary cannot win against a person who is "REAL" and not the same 'ol "Republocrat".

Now, I have myself in mind to run, but I doubt you all will ever vote for me as I WILL say it as it is, whether you like it or not, LOL.