First & Foremost, Stand Together!

[WiseOne]

I call upon ALL Anti-Hillary sites to come together and help each other out as much as possible! We MUST join hands and minds to stop this woman from seeing her dreams of the Presidency come true! We need to make sure we work together on this issue or she very well may make it!

IF you remain apathetic as most of you HAVE been in recent elections, you will pay for this woman being elected and it will be no one's fault but ours for letting this happen! I remember that old saying..."the best way for evil men to prosper is for good men to stay silent"....

Who said that, I can't remember?

[Gangstamike]

Thats a great idea! But if you ask me it would probably be best (if possible), if it were more like a merger of websites. The advantages would be nearly endless. There would be more people, more news, and any money raised would go toward one effort. Donations would also accumulate faster if everyone from the other sites donated to the same site.
But would it be possible for there to be a merger?

[oz007]

have her put behind bars once and for all>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The Death Of Vincent Foster

Hillary's fingerprints on Foster's records

FIRST LADY'S FINGERPRINTS ON BILLING RECORDS (House of Representatives -April 30, 1996) [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This No Hillary For President Forum Link. [Page: H4166]The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a previous order of the House, thegentleman from Indiana [Mr. Burton] is recognized for 5 minutes.[Page: H4167]<>Mr. BURTON of Indiana. Mr. Speaker, Newsweek magazine reported this weekthat the FBI had discovered Mrs. Hillary Rodham Clinton's fingerprintson billing records from the Rose law firm discovered at the White Housein January. These billing records have been under subpoena and could notbe found for over 2 years. Nobody knew where they were. And yet, justrecently, they were found in President Clinton and Mrs. Clinton'spersonal residence at the White House by Mrs. Clinton's secretary.Independent counsel Kenneth Starr is investigating to determine ifanyone obstructed justice by hiding the subpoenaed records. The billingrecords supply important information about Mrs. Clinton's work forMadison Guaranty Savings & Loan and the Castle Grande real estateprojects. Arkansas Governor Jim Guy Tucker, who at the time this wastaking place was the Lieutenant Governor under President Clinton, is ontrial right now in Arkansas for fraud because hedefaulted on loans over$1 million related to Castle Grande.Now, Mrs. Clinton was the billing partner at the Rose Law Firm for theMadison Guaranty Savings & Loan account. However, she stated in a swornstatement to the Resolution Trust Corporation that she did very littlework for Madison Guaranty and could not recall the Castle Grandeproject.Yet, these mysterious billing records, that could not be found for over2 years that were just found, tell a different story. They show that shehad 14 meetings and conversations with Madison executives about CastleGrande and she drafted a comprehensive option agreement for thisproject.Regarding the fingerprints, White House lawyers told reporters that Mrs.Clinton reviewed the billing records during the campaign in 1992. Now,this sounds strange, because if she reviewed them in 1992, she shouldhave remembered that she had done extensive work on this project and onthis comprehensive option agreement for the project.Anyhow, they said that the fingerprints on the telephone records canremain intact on paper and other materials for years, so herfingerprints on the billing records do not necessarily mean that she sawthe records recently.Now, this is very interesting, Mr. Speaker, because when Vincent Fosterdied, you remember Vincent Foster , the assistant counsel to thePresident at the White House, when Vincent Foster died, a suicide notewas found in his briefcase. At least that is what they called it.Despite the fact that it had been torn into 28 pieces, you have to tearit to get 28 pieces 14 of 15 times, there was not one single fingerprinton any one of those pieces. Investigators and various Clintonadministration officials said at the time that it was not unusual,because fingerprints do not attach themselves easily to paper.Now, here we have the President's wife, the First Lady, Hillary RodhamClinton, her fingerprints are all over these telephone records thatnobody could find for 2 years and were found in their residence, whilethey were under subpoena, incidentally, and they are saying that it isnot unusual for the fingerprints to be attached to paper, and that sheprobably attached them to those documents in 1992 during thePresidential campaign.Now, you cannot have it both ways. Either it can be attached to paper,you can get fingerprints on paper, or you cannot. Her fingerprints wereon the documents, but the fingerprints were not on Vince Foster 'salleged suicide note.Adding to the mystery, the first two times that the White House counselat the time, Bernie Nussbaum, search Vincent Foster 's briefcase, he didnot find any torn up note. The note was found 6 days later when anotherWhite House aide searched the briefcase for a third time.Now, Mr. Speaker, it has to be one way or the other. If fingerprintsattach themselves easily to paper and stay there for years, there is noexplanation for why Vincent Foster 's note had no fingerprints on them,especially since it had been torn into 28 pieces. And if fingerprints donot attach themselves easily to paper and if they wear off quickly, thenMrs. Clinton must have handled the billing records more recently thanher aides are saying, which was 4 years ago, in 1992.

[NoHitlery]

Oz this is a great post. Anbody that believes that Vince Foster committed suicide probably believes in the Warren Commission Report on JFK's assination. Here's the thing that always bugged me about the death as reported in the American Spectator at the time. When Hillary found out about Mr. Foster's death, life long friends of both Bill and Hill, phone records showed numerous phone calls between Hillary and Maggie who cleaned out the office. Now if your friend died, wouldn't one of your first calls be to your spouce if you were such good close personal friends? Total cover up like the entire Clinton Administration. Your post should be read over and over and we should remind folks about just what evil folks the Clinton's are.

[oz007]

Citizen of this great Country came forward and proved on a logical basis for his "substantial Concern" over the linkage of Factuality/Relevance of the following Data:
1)- that base upon the "Factual Public Information" below regarding the Findings of Vincent Foster’s Death and again
that1.A)-Mr. Nussbaum being Vincent Fosters "replacement"- - and Attorney Andrew Gardner acting as advisor to Mr. Nussbaum
1.B)-Attorney Andrew Gardner may have suffered from foul play?

WARNING

This is a very graphic photo and video of a man who, in the middle of a press conference resulting from his conviction on corruption charges, pulls out a gun, sticks it in his mouth, and pulls the trigger.

This is provided for educational purposes only relating to the Vincent Foster affair and is NOT RECOMMENDED FOR CHILDREN.


So why have such a horror here?

Because the photograph of Vincent Foster's hand does not show a single speck of blood anywhere in the image. Not a drop of blood can be seen on the gun, hand, or white sleeve of Foster's shirt.
In addition, the FBI reported on page 10 of its may 9, 1994 report that chemical tests conducted on the gun failed to find blood.
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR FOSTER TO HAVE FIRED THE GUN INTO HIS OWN MOUTH WITHOUT SPRAYING THE GUN, HAND, AND SLEEVE WITH BLOOD.

THEREFORE, THE ABSENCE OF ANY BLOOD ON THE GUN, HAND AND SLEEVE PROVES THAT FOSTER DID NOT FIRE THE GUN INTO HIS OWN MOUTH.

Needless to say, the behavior of a high pressure cloud of propellant gases, blood and organic matter are governed by the laws of physics. Nevertheless, certain Clinton supporters have tried to insist that there is no reason to expect that a gunshot fired into the mouth would result in any splattering at all. As can be seen by the following video, such is clearly not the case.
There is another aspect the the below video. Note that after firing the shot, the man's heart does indeed continue to beat, spewing large amounts of blood from his mouth and nose. Medical texts and the descriptions from the French Revolution confirm that the heart will continue to beat after the brain is destroyed for as long as their is oxygenated blood to feed it. This is why head trauma victims are the primary source of donor hearts for transplants.
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When the brain is destroyed, as is illustrated by the video, the heart continues to beat, pumping large volumes of blood out of the wounds and onto the surrounding environment and clothing.
In contrast, Foster was found with very little blood coming from his mouth, described by the Park Police and the "confidential witness" at the scene as a "trickle".
This is an indication that the head shot might have been administered post-mortem to Vincent Foster; that he was already dead of other means, his heart already stopped, when a gun was fired into his mouth by person or persons unknown.

NEW! Owing to complaints from certain computer users that they cannot see either video, these are reprocessed (slightly longer) versions. These play correctly on every machine I have access to.
Here is the video, presented as a reference to understand what would have happened to Vincent Foster in the event of a genuine suicide as claimed by the government. See attached photo
Ballistics
Bud Dwyer shot himself with a .357 magnum, a round virtually identical in size to the .38 cartridge which fit the revolver Vincent Foster supposedly shot himself with.

Frame 112

Frame 113

Frame 114

Frame 115
Yes, the .357 is far more powerful, but the key question is just how much of that energy would couple to the target (Mr. Dwyer) versus how much would be expended external to the target (in the case of Mr. Dwyer the ceiling overhead).
Mitigating the added energy of the Bud Dwyer .357 is the fact that he used fully jacketed ammunition, which retards expansion inside the target. In contrast, the gun planted with Vincent Foster's body, the one that is claimed to have fired the shot into his head (without getting Foster's fingerprints or blood on that gun) was loaded with soft lead unjacketed slugs, which expand on impact to couple more of the energy to the target.
Therefore, despite the greater kinetic energy of the .357 used by Bud Dwyer, the nearly identical width of the bullet, taken into account with the greater expansion of the bullet from the Foster gun, would mean that almost identical amounts of energy (knock down) stayed with the target in both cases.

The Media Chime In

For some reason, this page out of all the others at my website seems to attract the attention of the media.

Most recently, TIME magazine, in their Feb 9th 1998 issue, had this to say.

If a survey of Clinton's accusers proves nothing else, it's thatbirdbrains of a feather flock together. On the alleged plot'souter edges stand the mom-and-pop entrepreneurs devoted topeddling anti-Clinton miscellany via at least a dozen Web sites.Michael Rivero's Vincent Foster page invites the visitor to viewa video of an actual suicide by gunshot, while the unofficialBill Clinton home page features a doctored photograph of thePresident with his pants around his ankles.

Admittedly, TIME's intent was to lump this web site in with those that employ altered photos to make their point, but the news article which ran in the Philadelphia Daily News under Don Russell's byline, more accurately reflects the intent of this page.

But at "The Suicide Page," the video seems to serve a defensible journalistic purpose. The page is part of a Web site that asserts the 1993 death of White House counsel Vince Foster was murder, not suicide. In an e-mail interview with the Daily News, the site's author, Michael Rivero, said he "thought long and hard" about including the video. "In the end, I felt the video, as ugly as it is, provided the clearest example of what should have resulted had Vincent Foster actually died in the manner described in the official report," Rivero said. "Budd Dwyer's body was soaked in blood," Rivero continued. "Had Vincent Foster's heart been beating when the gunshot to his head was inflicted, the same result should have happened. But . . . there was just a 'trickle' of blood coming from his mouth and nose -- a clear indication that Vincent Foster's heart had stopped beating prior to the head wound being inflicted." Evidence to support Rivero's forensic analysis -- accurate or otherwise -- never would see such a wide audience if the government censored the video.Respectfully submitted

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Ps. In my statements regarding "non-lethal" weapons ,( MICR-wave /low freq. Energy Bursts )I reviewed data available to you which could easily account for why no one could detect the real source of Death.
Pss.Thank you for your time and what a pleasure to be with someone "upto the task’ Amen.
All, the following is a partial list of deaths of persons connected to and/or during President Clinton’s tenure as Governor of Arkansas and as President of the United States.

Read The List and judge for yourself.

JAMES MCDOUGAL. Clinton’s convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. McDougal was a key witness in Kenneth Starr’s investigation.

MARY MAHONEY- A former White House intern was murdered July 6, 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened during the pre-trial publicity surrounding the Paula Jones lawsuit. days after Newsweek’s Mike Isakoff dropped hints that a former White House staffer was about to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

VINCENT FOSTER- Former White House counselor, and former colleague of Hillarv Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose law firm. Foster was found dead July 20, 1993 of a gunshot to the head ruled a suicide.

RON BROWN-Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported to the Bob Grant Radio Show a "hole" in top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

C. VICTOR RAISER II -Former National finance Go-Chairman, Clinton for President Campaign and son MONTGOMERY RAISER died in a private plane crash in Alaska, July30th,1992. Raiser was described as a "major player" in the Clinton organization by Dee Dee Meyers.

PAUL TULLEY. Democrat National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, Arkansas September 24, 1992, Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".

ED WILLEY-Clinton fund raiser-found dead November 30, 1993 deep in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide, Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed that Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

JERRY PARKS-Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house

JAMES BUNCH-Died from a gunshot suicide. Reported to have a "black book" of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

JAMES WILSON-Was found dead May 18, 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. Was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

KATHY FERGUSON- Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson died in May,1994 was found dead in her living room with a gunshot wound to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Corbin Jones lawsuit. She was reported a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones case.

BILL SHELTON. Arkansas state Trooper and Fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the gravesite of his fiancee.

GANDY BAUGH -Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater died by jumping out a window of a tall building January , 1991. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

FLORENCE MARTIN-Accountant subcontractor for the CIA related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Dead of three gunshot wounds.

SUZANNE COLEMAN. Reportedly has an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General, Died of a gunshot wound to hack of head, ruled a suicide, was pregnant at the time her death.

PAULA GROBER - Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

DANNY CASOLARO. Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparent suicide in the middle of his investigation.

PAUL WILCHER-Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC Apartment. Had delivered report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

JON PARNELL WALKER-Whitewater Investigator for Resolution Trust Corporation. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal.

BARBARA WISE-Commerce Department Staffer-worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

CHARLES MEISSNER-Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

DR. STANLEY HEARD. Chair National Chiropractic Heath Care Advisory committee died with his attorney .

STEVE DICKSON in a small plane crash. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton’s advisory council personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.

BARRY SEAL. drug running pilot out of Mena, Arkansas, Death was no accident.

JOHNNY LAWHON Jr.- Mechanic, found a check made out to Clinton in the trunk of a car left in his repair shop. Died when his car hit a utility pole.

STANLEY MUGGINS-Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee.

His report was never released.

HERSHELL FRIDAY-Attorney & Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

KEVIN IVES & DON HENRY-Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas Airport Drug operation. Controversial case where initial report of death was due to falling asleep on railroad track. Later reports claim the two had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many people linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING SIX PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

KEITH CONEY. Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck in July, 1988:

KEITH McMASKLE. Died, stabbed 113 times, November 1988.

GREGORY COLLINS-Died from a gunshot wound, January 1989. JEFF RHODES-He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

JAMES MILAN. Found decapitated-Coroner ruled death due to natural causes.

JORDAN KETTLESON-Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.

RICHARD WINTERS . Winters was a suspect in the Ives/Henry deaths.

Was killed in set-up robbery in July 1989.

THE FOLLOWING FORMER CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:

MAJOR WILLIAM S. BARKLEY JR.

CAPTAIN SCOTT J.REYNOLDS

SGT. BRIAN HANEY

SGT. TIM SABEL

MAJOR GENERAL WILLIAM ROBERTSON

COL. WILLIAM DENSBERGER

COL. ROBERT KELLY

SPEC. GARY RHODES

STEVE WILLIS

ROBERT WILLIAMS

CONWAY LeBLEU

TODD McKEEHAN

THE WHITEWATER AFFAIR: WHITE HOUSE; New Misstatements Admitted In Handling of Foster's Files

By MICHAEL WINES,
The White House said today that it had given a misleading account for months of how senior officials had disposed of files on President Clinton's Whitewater real estate investment that were found in the office of Vincent W. Foster Jr. after his suicide a year ago. It was the third time since December that officials have acknowledged inaccurate or incomplete explanations of how they dealt with papers in Mr. Foster's office.
Ex-Aide Explains His Whitewater Role to House Panel

By NEIL A. LEWIS
A group of present and former White House officials paraded before the House committee investigating the Whitewater affair today, several of them insisting that they did not press a senior Treasury Department official and friend of the President to remain involved in a politically sensitive investigation of an Arkansas savings and loan. The primary witness today was Bernard W. Nussbaum, the former White House counsel who spent much of the morning answering questions before the House Ba...
THE WHITEWATER AFFAIR: WHITE HOUSE; New Misstatements Admitted In Handling of Foster's Files

By MICHAEL WINES,
The White House said today that it had given a misleading account for months of how senior officials had disposed of files on President Clinton's Whitewater real estate investment that were found in the office of Vincent W. Foster Jr. after his suicide a year ago. It was the third time since December that officials have acknowledged inaccurate or incomplete explanations of how they dealt with papers in Mr. Foster's office.
THE WHITEWATER AFFAIR: THE HEARING; HOUSE COMMITTEE TOLD OF CONTACTS OVER WHITEWATER

By STEPHEN LABATON,
The White House counsel, Lloyd N. Cutler, said in a Congressional hearing today that the Administration had broken no laws or ethical rules in its handling of the Whitewater investigations. But he acknowledged that his predecessor, Bernard W. Nussbaum, had tried to persuade the Deputy Treasury Secretary, a close friend of the President, to remain involved in the investigations. Mr. Cutler opened the first of two hearings into Whitewater by presenting the results of his own review of discussion...
PRESIDENT CHOOSES ANOTHER COUNSEL; OPENNESS IS VOWED

By GWEN IFILL,
Lloyd N. Cutler was appointed special counsel to the President today and said White House aides would testify before any Congressional inquiry into the Whitewater case. Trying to demonstrate the openness that he had promised on the matter, Mr. Clinton said at a news conference in which he announced the appointment that he would not try to use the powers of his office to shield himself from scrutiny.
March 9, 1994 Front Page Biography
MORE ON HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON AND: UNITED STATES POLITICS AND GOVERNMENT, ETHICS, BIOGRAPHICAL INFORMATION, WHITEWATER CASE, CUTLER, LLOYD N, CLINTON, BILL, FISKE, ROBERT B JR, WHITEWATER DEVELOPMENT, MADISON GUARANTY SAVINGS & LOAN ASSN
Essay; No Client Privilege

By WILLIAM SAFIRE
I called Bernard Nussbaum last Wednesday to find out whether he had hired a lawyer for himself; he had not. Further poking-about revealed that no White House aides had yet been asked about their cozy consultation with "investigators," nor had a warning been issued about destroying notes of the improper meeting. The barb here about that laxity, made puissant by The Washington Post's stunning revelation of two similar abuses of White House influence, helped get the non-independent counsel off hi...

[Syz]

I've stated before we all know who the Clinton's are, but their final act of Treason was the end for me. Bill and Hillary conspired together to deny the right of a fair trial to a women in this country so they could allow Bill his sexual perversions. This is the respect they have for America and its citizens and they follow the same disrespect for each other. Their other efforts to become accomplished marxists has also been established.

I have added my name to the Michael Savage list. So far, he has 11 millions willing to vote for him. When he has 20 mil, he will toss his hat in the ring--not to be a 3rd party. we're too late for that, but 20 mil of us will be the independent vote that will determine the winner. Naturally, it will have to be a Conservative and the Savage Stand Togethers will be able to hand our votes over to the Conservative who joins in with us. We will finally hear a real debate and Hillary will be off the charts.

Whether we like the conservative picked by our20 mil group is irrelevant, we will have removed the liberal party from the scene. Providing of course they don't give Savage the Vince Foster treatment.

I have been shouting we have a broken two-party system. My mistake, we have a conjoined two-party leadership. We need to force them to work for us instead of discovering 35 illegal immigrants in Texas who are already registered to vote as legals from which the liberals and Conservatives can pick. We have been had! Stand Together

[Brickman]

I don't think Savage stands a snow ball's chance in hell. Not because he isn't right on many issues, but because he is not refined enough. Folks won't vote for him.



just my opinion

[Brickman]

Here is an example of the sort of thing I was referring to. I've heard similar rants out of him. And while on the issues he is right he'll NEVER get elected because of rants like this when they start showing up on the public air waves on the main stream media shows night after night after night.

"Oh, so you're one of those sodomites. You should only get AIDS and die, you pig, how's that? Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig? You got nothing better to do than to put me down, you piece of garbage. You got nothing better to do today. Go eat a sausage, and choke on it. Get trichinosis. Now do we have another nice caller here who's busy because he didn't have a nice night in the bathhouse who's angry at me today? Put another, put another sodomite on....no more calls? I don't care about these bums; they mean nothing to me. They're all sausages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Savage_%28commentator%29

[nohil-billy]

I don't think it's about Savage running for president, but about building a twenty million strong base that would vote in unity for the most "real" conservative candidate. Michael Savage is off the chain but he rants for valid reasons. Too many times candidates use conservative rhetoric when they run then let us down after we elect them.

[Syz]

Savage and I feel the same about our Homosexual and Lesbian friends. It's the same way we feel about our Heterosexual friends. I wouldn't have a party unless they all showed up. We're a fantastic group of individuals who think the world of each other.

The bath house, New York, in your face nude crowd are not in the human race and I have no difficulty weeding them out of it. The Clintons are in this category of degenerate humans. Homosexuality or Heterosexuality has nothing to do with the values of individuals and that's the message you miss from the rant Savage presents for me.

no-hil -billy is correct. We're not voting for Savage as President. All of us with our mixed sexual orientations are standing together to maintain a Republic and Savage is genius enough to know how to do it.