Buy a gun or vote for Nader? Which is worse?

[PeroW-Cheney]

If Ross Perot didn't get Clinton elected in 1992, then why was there any reason for the Kerry campaign to use Tonya Harding tactics on Nader?

If Ross Perot did get Clinton elected in 1992, then how can Hillary win after Democrats extinguished the Reform Party?

It is easier for independent voters to join the Republican Party than it is for us to rebuild the devastated Reform Party. If Cheney voted for Perot instead of Dole, he will need to remind us with his press release from the Friday before the 1996 election. Also, one of the two major parties needs to advocate for a third party to be included in the presidential debates.

Republicans, please remind independents that Perot was in the debates in 1992 and remind us that Democrats hired Ken Star's law firm to sue Nader off the ballot in many states.

If Democrats are a dying party, will Republicans be the only party left? Do you guys believe in a one party system or a two party system? You guys have all our cards. I hope you play them well.

[WiseOne]

Sir, I believe in a no-party system myself...

[ [George] Washington, like many of his contemporaries, did not understand or believe in political parties, and saw them as fractious agencies subversive of domestic tranquility. When political parties began forming during his administration, and in direct response to some of his policies, he failed to comprehend that parties would be the chief device through which the American people would debate and resolve major public issues. It was his fear of what parties would do to the nation that led Washington to draft his Farewell Address. ] Source.

I care less about ANY party, I WISH we didn't have any parties so we would NOT be so divided as we are now like George Washington, correctly, predicted long ago. ALL the parties have ticked me off and I wish there was a man/woman who had NO political affiliation that could win at this point in the Earth's rotation. (I know...how pathetically naive).

BUT, I will vote Republican to rid this country of the likes of Hillary Clinton and send her packing back to New York where they were brainwashed enough to vote for her and plaque us in the first place...let them deal with her and it'll be good riddance to her for GOOD.

[PeroW-Cheney]

Amen!

Thank you for your website. As for the question about how we can stop Hillary, I believe independent voters have to mobilize and attack her. Perot voters and Nader voters are not Clinton voters. We have to stop her nomination. Her name is not worthy to be on my Ohio ballot.

[NoHitlery]

Originally Posted by PeroW-Cheney

Amen!

Thank you for your website. As for the question about how we can stop Hillary, I believe independent voters have to mobilize and attack her. Perot voters and Nader voters are not Clinton voters. We have to stop her nomination. Her name is not worthy to be on my Ohio ballot.

I agree with you one hundred percent. Maybe we should encourage people to register as Democrats and vote against her in the Primaries?

[NoHitlery]

Originally Posted by WiseOne

Sir, I believe in a no-party system myself...

[ [George] Washington, like many of his contemporaries, did not understand or believe in political parties, and saw them as fractious agencies subversive of domestic tranquility. When political parties began forming during his administration, and in direct response to some of his policies, he failed to comprehend that parties would be the chief device through which the American people would debate and resolve major public issues. It was his fear of what parties would do to the nation that led Washington to draft his Farewell Address. ] [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This No Hillary For President Forum Link. .

I care less about ANY party, I WISH we didn't have any parties so we would NOT be so divided as we are now like George Washington, correctly, predicted long ago. ALL the parties have ticked me off and I wish there was a man/woman who had NO political affiliation that could win at this point in the Earth's rotation. (I know...how pathetically naive).

BUT, I will vote Republican to rid this country of the likes of Hillary Clinton and send her packing back to New York where they were brainwashed enough to vote for her and plaque us in the first place...let them deal with her and it'll be good riddance to her for GOOD.

Absolutely..no parties, elect folks to represent us for a single 6 year term rotating everyone out at two year intervals. That way they could do what is best for the country, then go home. It would also be illegal and a felony to lobby for any organization once you have come to do a term of service. There is so much party bickering , that even an ocassional good idea will get shot down because it has to be by the opposit party. But let's be clear, when was the last time a bill was passed that gave us more freedom and didn't take more of our money away? Very infrequently unless a fiscially conservative Republican Congress could force a weak kneed whimp like Slick Willy who would singn anything for personal gain, i.e. to get re-elected or for pardons to line his off shore bank accounts. I'm really sick of these people. Bust let's stay on task Hillary is EVIL and the personification there of let's not forget that. We are taking gas now because The Republicans forgot why they were elected. When you have them bashing President Bush about the war, the MSM, the contrived polls what do we expect from an uneducated electorate. Just the government we deserve, not to fear this all runs in cycles.

[nohil-billy]

No Hitlery, I second that strategy and have done it before while living in Illinois. We need to do this in states where Hillary is vulnerable and throw the vote to Edwards. Let he and Obama fight it out later.

[NoHitlery]

Originally Posted by PeroW-Cheney

If Ross Perot didn't get Clinton elected in 1992, then why was there any reason for the Kerry campaign to use Tonya Harding tactics on Nader?

If Ross Perot did get Clinton elected in 1992, then how can Hillary win after Democrats extinguished the Reform Party?

It is easier for independent voters to join the Republican Party than it is for us to rebuild the devastated Reform Party. If Cheney voted for Perot instead of Dole, he will need to remind us with his press release from the Friday before the 1996 election. Also, one of the two major parties needs to advocate for a third party to be included in the presidential debates.

Republicans, please remind independents that Perot was in the debates in 1992 and remind us that Democrats hired Ken Star's law firm to sue Nader off the ballot in many states.

If Democrats are a dying party, will Republicans be the only party left? Do you guys believe in a one party system or a two party system? You guys have all our cards. I hope you play them well.

Excellent post!

[NoHitlery]

To[LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This No Hillary For President Forum Link.
Sound reasoning! Excellent post, Thanks

[PeroW-Cheney]

Thanks for the support. I love this forum.

Voting in Democrat Primaries is a very logical progression... except there's an Ohio Republican who lost the Dewine's Senate nomnation named Bill Pierce. I really want to support Pierce and I will be torn if he runs.

Here's more for you guys.

In the 2004 Presidential Election race, Ohio was the final focal point of victory or defeat for Democrat John Kerry and Republican George Bush. In 2008, Ohio voters can be expected to play a critical role in determination of who will win the open office in the White House after President Bush’s term limits expire.

In the 2004 Republican Primary Elections, the former Reform Party candidate for Governor, Lt. Col. John Mitchel, won more than 195 thousand votes on a budget smaller than 300 dollars. With John Kerry’s loss margin less than 120 thousand votes, it can be argued that the Reform Party of Ohio is responsible for delivering President George Bush’s successful re-election.

Bush's 2004 votes in Ohio: 2,859,768
Kerry's 2004 votes in Ohio: 2,741,167
Bush votes – Kerry votes: 118,601
Lt. Col. John Mitchel’s votes in 2004 Republican Primary.... 195,476

George Bush lost the popular vote, ran up the national debt, bounced tax refund checks, covered those checks by robbing Social Security, went to war in Iraq,AND WAS RE-ELECTED TO A SECOND TERM IN THE WHITE HOUSE. In my opinion, The Reform Party of Ohio re-elected Bush.

to see Mitch's website, visit [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This No Hillary For President Forum Link.

[nohil-billy]

It can be argued, PeroW-Cheney, but you'd be going out on a limb. You cannot mix the results of a primary with those of a general election and come to that conclusion. Were Bush, Kerry, and Mitchell the only participants in the primaries? And if not, where did the votes of the other losers go?

You appear to be anti Bush, which is your prerogative, but citing negatives against George Bush to make an irrelevant and unsubstantiated point is a little Clintonesque, don't you think?