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03.03.2007
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| | | Herb- -great Well Done And Direct ..........the Prognosticators Used In The Media And By Team Gore It Turns Out Are All Bean Counters - -and Shocking Ly They Have As You Might Suspect No Clue To The Science Involved In Understanding Global Weather From Geothermal Cycles ----i Have A Degree From Concordia College Which Says Essentially "i'm A Scientist " Though This Is Not My Profession ,(nor My Only Degree) - - I Would Gladly Offer You My Phone Number , Except I'd Be Concerned That Jennifer Might Call ?) So I Could Explain Why I Personally Backed Presidents Bush Refusal To Sign The Keyotto Accord ...briefly We Are Basically Going Thu A Normal Geothermal Cycle That Affects The Entire Solar System - -its No Biggee - -and I Am Assured That The Diety Knows All About It - -it Is Part Of The Mind Of God To Quote Stephan Hawking | | Remove This Ad By Registering. Join Our Hillary For President Forum For Free. Sponsored Links: | | 
03.03.2007
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| |  Jennifer I Am Impressed | 
03.03.2007
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| | | Oh Gee Mr. Oz: I guess you need another time out. Your statement;THINK ALL THAT GENTIELE FEM INNOCENT WORDING WHICH "I LIKE "ABOUT YOU IS GOING TO MAKE THIS AUDIENCE SWALLOW ,(WHICH BY THE WAY IS THE BIRD OF TRUE LOVE ) OR DIGEST RATHER****SUCH RADICAL IDEAS / MORON IS ONE STEP BELOW STUPID Upper case writing is called screaming. Calling me a moron serves what purpose? FYI the Swallow isn't the "True Bird of Love" It's the bird of True Birth Control. Now when you can talk with a bit of intelligence I'll communicate with you in the future. Maybe you might consider being more productive so you won't have to sell your horse ranch. Sitting at your computer making a fool of yourself isn't helping your situation with the ranch. By the way, why not turn the ranch into a farm so you can receive generous tax subsidies, i.e. pay virtually no property taxes? You could sell manure what with all your horses and the amount of excrement you seem to have stored within. Cheers, Jennifer | 
03.03.2007
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| | | yes YES y e s | 
03.04.2007
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| | | Dear Jennifer - -good suggestion "Go directly to Iran" I like the way you think......?
This is logical ,and makes logical sense.
My information which is known to Hillary and the White House says that if we moved on Iran they would have taken the following actions :
-activate there Plan a if attached by the USA
Plan a
-launch 2,000 high tech "Scud Missales" directly at our Carriers ,( of which 5 more ships arrive in the indian ocean within the last week )
- Iran would then mine the straits of hormouz - then 2 battalians into kuwait - -to retake the territory which was once in sudams ancient holding ) - -taking captive all the americans training there- these new captives would be used as bargaining chips - -to force the us to turn over middle east refineries and agree to leave hesbola and jordan alone ?
-concurrent with this move they have in place @their border sufficient troops to attack the american flank - -with their " elite hud special forces " with are currently observed as being deep under cover in remote but strtegic locations in irag....We missed an opportunity last year to have one of our undercover people influence their election -,( to put it that way ).
-iran is shia - but a slight different brand that found in iraq
-the iranians want to take over iraq for this reson .
our job is to maintain balance in the region . why?
-to turn the clock back - -it was the little tiny country OF ISRAEL THAT KEPT THE RUSSIANS FROM MARCHING THRU THE MIDDLE EAST AND CLAIMING AFRICA ,( MINERAL RICH AFRICA) AS THEIR SATELLITE .
Therfore it was the joint thinking of the allied forces that we have "a cat bird seat" by stand strong " beteen the " triangilation strength of Afganistan -Iran ,and Syria.
We have accomplishe the larger Goal - -the payback is a bitter wiplash of resentment by those who wish to hurt our faithful allied country.
It is more important that you please beigin to think abour who in america was involved in 911....please keep in mind that your vote represents 1000 votes because the whole world is watching --Hon George w. Bush would not and could not send a plane larger than the White House - -to the white House ? Don't you see...
There was an elite group of insiders that helped to pull of 911 - -jennifer it wasn't the Bush Team
It's about morality and integrity ---what good is the Horse farm if the Country that gave it to me goes down the drain | 
03.04.2007
|  | Anti-Hillary Forum Member | | Join Date: Mar 2007 Age: 33
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| | | Mr Oz: Thank you for an intelligent reply: I don't agree with "your information" what is your source? My information which is known to Hillary and the White House says that if we moved on Iran they would have taken the following actions :
-activate there Plan a if attached by the USA
Plan a
-launch 2,000 high tech "Scud Missales" directly at our Carriers ,( of which 5 more ships arrive in the indian ocean within the last week )
- Iran would then mine the straits of hormouz - then 2 battalians into kuwait - -to retake the territory which was once in sudams ancient holding ) - -taking captive all the americans training there- these new captives would be used as bargaining chips - -to force the us to turn over middle east refineries and agree to leave hesbola and jordan alone ?
-concurrent with this move they have in place @their border sufficient troops to attack the american flank - -with their " elite hud special forces " with are currently observed as being deep under cover in remote but strtegic locations in irag....We missed an opportunity last year to have one of our undercover people influence their election -,( to put it that way ).
-iran is shia - but a slight different brand that found in iraq
-the iranians want to take over iraq for this reson .
our job is to maintain balance in the region . why? The scud missals you are concerned about have very little accuracy and our carrier group would be able to blow them out of the sky as soon as they were launched. I believe you may have misinturpreted what I said about Iran, I meant we should have gone their first. The vast majority of the Iranian people particulary the younger ones aren't buying what the Shia Mullaha's are selling and they too would be ready for some form of democracy. I also said, I believe that we should take it to them by air and sea. Their airforce and navy is a joke. Your point about mining the straights of Hormuz is a good one in that it would cause world wide economic instability at least temporarily, but that is why we have also move a large number of mine sweepers into the area. I have a good read for you, it's called Overblown by John Mueller, 2006. In it he puts terrorism, the war on terror in it's proper perspective in terms of actual probability of loss of human life on U.S. soil vs loss of human life with our current exploits in Iraq. I really hate war and would like to figure a way out of this situation. Thank you for talking intelligently to me. I appreciate your opinions and learn from them, doesn't mean I agree with them. Cheers, Jennifer | | Remove This Ad By Registering. Join Our Hillary For President Forum For Free. Sponsored Links: | | 
03.04.2007
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| | | Jennifer , in the grand scheme of things - -i know you are rigth in the sense that you pray at the alter of ELEANOR ROOSEVELT.,( surprized you ; have I ).....? And just as Pearl Harbor Saved us from figthing the Nazi's in Miami : You say unto me read "John Meuller 2006- -Overblown" ,and this new wisdom will cause me to agree with you- - based upon a prognosticators detailed outline of "kill ratio " here versus "there" .....surely over a period of 100years intellectually ,and in fact numerically you would become the same Historic Personage you hope to become . The new Elleanor roosevelt .
You know Hillary worships her ?
(( no joke this is a fact - -she has admitted to having seances with her - -google it after you google the Clinton Hit list )).
I don't get my information reading Novels - -I roll up my sleeves jump into the nest as it were and try to gleen as much as possible about the facts.of any given situation first hand - -try it "gonzo journalism or something similar to that .... ---------------war is not a an intellectual exercize--it's about psychosis versus logic ......it's about making dam sure what happened does'nt happen again ..and while jane was in Hanoi ,and Bill was off living "all expenses paid "in Russia " -i beleive that if we had you in Vietnam - -we would have won"
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before we go to extreme socio-political blueprints and decisions that lead Hillary Clinton to vote for the Iraq War,( and now recant irrationally),and evdence which could show they did had a warning about the wtc and Bin Laden etc. "as perhaps " Eleanor voted for Pearl Harbor" ?
Please ..let me tell you if I may about the America I grew up in ...let me pray at my alter just for a moment
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I grew up in a Jewish Irish Neighborhood in New York City - -I had a gun pushed in my face when I was ten Years Old for $ 3 bucks ...only to have the robbers girlfriend say "leave him alone - -can't you see he is just a kiD"
When the car i was knapping in rolled down a Hill , a minority illegal alien ...ran after it - -jumped into the window and shopped the vehicle from WHAT WOULD HAVE BECOME A REAL trajedy. I've Witnessed New York miracles my whole life ...to quote Henry Kissenger "we are a resilient people ",( by the way Kissinger agree's with you about the war )...
But Jennifer ,( whom ever you are ) some thing happened on 911 ...that never happened before in New York ?
In each railroad town from Hell's kitchen to Dover From Pougkeepsie to wall Street >>>>> there were cars lots of cars ....cars that would never go home >>>belonging to the fathers and mothers of real children .
That week it sunk in ....what really we lost ...I have not been to the world Trade Center since beacause I'm afraid I will loose my temper...
The tragedy was ; is real ...in the long run ? Eleanor Roosevelt and Hillary Clinton-can roast in Hell ..... ..I want my "boy hood" friend Richards father back ..I felt his pain
I want the American collaborators of 911 to be hung on a street corner for my neighbors sally's daughter ,whose father will never come home ...and for all the children ..for the Firemen- -we let down? This is no laughing matter this is quite Real .
jennifer ..don't think for one second that I would hesitate to ask the God of the Universe to punish Eleanor R and all the Pyschotic Eleanors' in this World .....and for that matter Those who played apart for their involvment in 911 ,( as since you didn't disagree with me of my conclusion - -that the Bush Team had nothing to do with it - -I guess you are smart enough to figure out who did nes pas - -And perhaps willing to allow this to sway you ever so sligthly )...I'm communicating as it were with some one who is 100% correct in wanting a female leader amen - -I'm one of the Architects ,(( whose has had the unique responsibility to work on many projects for )) for the Girl Scouts of America --so I as it were admire strong woman - -I contribute to feminist causes - -I beleive woman should be placed on pedestal as should men viva la differance' - I want a woman President more than you - - just not your girl Hillary ...Until proven beyond a reasonable doubt - -i will continue to bring flowers to Eleanors grave ? But in my Bible it says "do not consult the dead to guide the Living " perhaps you could pass that along to Hillary ..
I want a President who can shoot from the hip and if needed rip your guts out as THE COMMANDER AND CHIEF OF THIS GREAT COUNTRY- -if need be ? Not bomb some Aspirin factory to hide the latest monica scandel -how say yee? - -Ican assure you ...a?merica will never again let the clinton's desecrate the White House ,( if it could be proven - -that she ,Elleanor knew and allowed or incouraged our vulnerability in Pearl Harbor - I have no illusions for Greatness- -I would have her bones thrown in the Hudson River so she could swim with the fishs -I wish to not even remembered for the service I have provided the comunity and the larger community I volunteer my time ...
At my Alter , I pray that one day ,we can live in an America were on "one property their could be a Wedding Hall separating the Mosque.from the Temple from the Church .....one day .
I too have adream that Moslem will walk with Jew ,( they once danced together ?)and Christians' down the aisle as Americans........and that one day we would have a thouroghly American Woman President whose name could be Hussein or Guiliani ,or Lieberman or RICE or maybe they would cross the isle - just to get rid of the beast ...Morality is what it takes to raise a child - -a simple village that knows what is right from what is wrong ....
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And in this tender confused moment when people are in culture Shock - -the last thing we need is a CLINTON socialistic government to take away the Hope ,the Alters of the World "will and shall "grant us peace as a unified people .
Because there is War going on - -I am not at Liberty to share my souces - -accept to say again - -the administration and Hillary as all in congress and those who have tosed their hat in the ring .
are fully aware of the risks of War ..as are those enligthened few who know it is the devils work to turn our back on Israel ,and the shia -sonni civil war | 
03.05.2007
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| | | Jennifer,
There are things we can do in the meantime to rely less on Middle Eastern oil. We can drill off the Atlantic coast and more in Alaska. The environmentalists have held us back in these places.
We can depend more on nuclear power for electrical generation. The environmentalists have also held us back in this area.
As far as renewable sources of energy, the technology is just not here at this time, maybe someday. Some analysts have found that it actually consumes more fossil fuel to make ethanol than it would if we used fossil fuel directly. You talk about the evil oil companies, what about Archer Daniel Midland? Their lobbying expenses are several times higher that Exxon Mobil's. Enron heavily lobbied Clinton and Gore to promote natural gas and other alternative energy sources. BP and their "beyond petroleum" program benefits them. They get carbon credits in 1st world countries while outsourcing their fossil fuel activities to 3rd world countries exempt from the Kyoto protocol. There are plenty of others. It's not that they are environmentally responsible, they are out for a buck like everybody else. | 
03.05.2007
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| | | I think we should develop friendlier relations with Iran. Scott Ritter, a self-described conservative by the way, in his book "Target Iran" points out how attacking Iran would be a big mistake. The Iranians would target the oil producing countries in the region and close off the Straight of Hormuz. The cutback in oil would create a worldwide economic catastrophe. There is no reason we should have a beligerant relationship with Iran. The neoconservatives are wrong about this. In 2003, the Iranians approached us to develop a better relationship with us but Bush and the neoconservatives would have none of it. They are interested in nothing less than regime change. If we developed a better relationship with Iran, we could also influence them in regards to Israel. If we attack Iran, they no doubt will retaliate against Israel as Saddam did during Desert Storm. | 
03.05.2007
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| | | At this time, tax breaks on alternative forms of energy is a waste of money. The technology is just not there yet. It has even been found that it requires more fossil fuel to produce ethanol than it would require to use the fossil fuel directly.
There are some things that we can do in the meantime to make us less dependent on Middle Eastern fossil fuels. We can drill more off the Atlantic coast, Gulf coast, and Alaska. We can depend more on nulear energy for electrical generation as opposed to natural gas. The problem is, the Democrats have stood in the way of these options. | |
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