Hillary Clinton Enjoys 100% Rating On Abortion From Planned Parenthood

[Herb Schaffler]

I'm upset because Fox, just like the other networks won't report anything about the Peter Paul case. By the way, surprize, the apellate court has upheld the lower court ruling that Hillary is not a defendant in the trial. Should it be any surprize with two of the three judges being Democrats?

My favorite television columnist now is Tucker Carlson on MSNBC.

[Syz]

How did that one Conservative Judge get in there? Fer looks-lol---Yes, I enjoy Tucker also and he really hangs in and sees the idiocy of the socialist liberal take over. Glenn Beck gives it a try in total frustration. Dobbs- a lot like Savage, totally on top of the take over efforts and knows the immigration issue is nothing more than Voter Fraud. Enjoy Cavouto when he isn't forced to interview starlets.

Why aren't the Federalies (Hillary in the case of N. Y.) marching in and arresting N. Y. mayor for Voter Fruad?? He is announcing to all that he refuses to honor our Federal Rules of Law regarding illegals. Hope he's hauled off to jail soon. Plus all the other Mayors who are determined to have sanctuary cities to maintain this Voter Fraud.

[nohil-billy]

I hate to change the subject and stear this thread in another direction, but I hear good news regarding abortion. It appears that the number of abortions is decreasing. It is believed that one reason is that it is no longer a stigma for women to be unwed and pregnant and therefore more women are having their babies. Another reason, (and this one's my favorite) is that women who believe in abortion are basically aborting the next generation of pro choicer's into extinction. Talk about killing the messenger.

[Dug]

That is good news Hill Bill I am delighted the abortion rate is dropping. The reason is curious though +

It is believed that one reason is that it is no longer a stigma for women to be unwed and pregnant and therefore more women are having their babies

I wonder what group of people were the most judgmental about unwed mothers and unwanted pregnancy? Looks like the far right Christian fundamentalists were responsible for more abortions than us liberal lefties after all.

It seems Tolerance and understanding is far better at protecting the unborn than strict religious doctrine.

[nohil-billy]

I would hardly consider my parents, my siblings, or myself for that matter, far right fundamentalist Christians and most people I know who are against abortion do not fit that bill.

It's just happens that the far right fundamentalists Christians are very vocal about it. You can easily pick them out at any abortion rally. They are normally positioned directly across from the wild eyed, placard carrying, screaming pro choicers. But we know that doesn't describe all pro choicers, don't we?

Dug, if you believe in abortion, more power to you. We can agree to disagree. I have watched you parse words, take biblical passages out of context, and question peoples faith and moral beliefs throughout this thread simply becase they don't agree with you.
And you preach to me about tolerance and understanding?

Many of us, almost half the nation, don't believe in abortion or some abortion procedures. This hardly gives you the right to paint us all with the broad brush of far right Christian fundamentalism. We are called conservatives, you shrill, wild-eyed, left wing wacko.

[lenahan]

Jee, and i thought the stigma regarding unwed mothers went to their obviously questionable judgment. Truth be told, I never cared that a woman was unmarried and pregnant, so long as she treats her child well, and in a good environment, and does not make me pay her bills.

[Dug]

Originally Posted by nohil-billy

I would hardly consider my parents, my siblings, or myself for that matter, far right fundamentalist Christians and most people I know who are against abortion do not fit that bill.

It's just happens that the far right fundamentalists Christians are very vocal about it. You can easily pick them out at any abortion rally. They are normally positioned directly across from the wild eyed, placard carrying, screaming pro choicers. But we know that doesn't describe all pro choicers, don't we?

Dug, if you believe in abortion, more power to you. We can agree to disagree. I have watched you parse words, take biblical passages out of context, and question peoples faith and moral beliefs throughout this thread simply becase they don't agree with you.
And you preach to me about tolerance and understanding?

Many of us, almost half the nation, don't believe in abortion or some abortion procedures. This hardly gives you the right to paint us all with the broad brush of far right Christian fundamentalism. We are called conservatives, you shrill, wild-eyed, left wing wacko.

I am glad you say almost half the nation does not believe in abortion this is good news. This means that the majority of people in your country do approve of legalized abortion and last time I checked your country like ours is a democracy where the majority makes the rules. I do like living in a democracy rather than a theocracy or dictatorship it seems a far better system.


As for taking biblical quotes out of context please explain how or where I have done this ? I do not take the bible as being anything other than a great literary work I do not believe it is the word of God but others do I respect their beliefs but I am confused when the book they base their beliefs on actually seems to contradict their beliefs, I am open to an intelligent explanation though.


If you read my last post I have not called anyone a "far right Christian fundamentalist" I have said that by your own words that group of people would seem to be responsible for abortions than us pro choice people.

What I said was

Looks like the far right Christian fundamentalists were responsible for more abortions than us liberal lefties after all.

If you feel that this paints you as a fundamentalist then that is entirely up to you it was nether intended nor inferred.


You feel obliged to call me "a shrill, wild-eyed, left wing wacko" words that could be considered insulting, and why do you feel you can call me this because you do not read what is written, and you seem to dislike people who ask questions.

It would seem to me that perhaps people who are losing a discussion resort to personal insults when they cannot think of anything else to say.

[Syz]

I'd like to submit my statement on the abortion issue which might seem crude in its presentation, but it needs to be given its rightful place in History and not handed over to Hillary Clinton.

Roe v Wade was a decision on "Right to Privacy" i.e., exclusively a woman's right to terminate her pregnancy. It is a legal act and those who are religious have a right to the believe their God disapproves (despite the fact their God has performed still life birth abortions throughout history and apparently has never been bothered by it). Those who are not governed by these beliefs have a right to feel otherwise and appreciate that a woman no longer has to subject herself to coat hanger abortions which is the way the determined woman demands her right to privacy.

The non religious could demand a man has no right to masturbation and that this act be subject to implant detection, should be fined and/or demand jail time as this ejaculate is a future embryo. We could also demand that any woman forced to term be financially taken care of by the entire male population until the forced term child has a college degree.

One is as absurd as the other and we all have the rights of individuality as the Constitution dictates. We all have the freedom to a Religion and the Right of being Free from a Religion. And if God has created us all equal, then he agrees none of us can force the other to live by any belief but their own.

If heaven is all glorious, then an unwanted aborted fetus, put in the hands of a greater Love than mankind can bestow, is the better life to be handed and it would seem to me that the religious among us would know this about their God.

[nohil-billy]

Syz, have you ever been religious or have you always been an atheist? I was raised a Catholic, dabbled in other Christian denominations, and I'm now an agnostic who believes there is a higher power only I'm not sure what or who it is.

You point out, as many atheists do, what God himself has done, such as "still life birth abortions," insinuating that what is okay for him is okay for us. Christians do not think that way. Christians believe that God alone has the authority to decide when innocent life is taken. Suicide and euthanasia are also frowned upon by the church and are both illegal according to the laws of these United States. A maddening inconsistency for Christians.
"Because God did it" is not only not a valid point to Christians, but in their eyes it's blasphemy.

I don't question your non-beliefs as an atheist to prove my anti-abortion stance (though I do sometimes question the motives) so why would you question somebody's belief in God to prove your point.

As for masturbation, semen is not a future embryo just as the egg is not a future embryo. I have milk, eggs, and butter in my fridge, and flour, sugar, baking powder, and vanilla in my cabinets. Do I have a cake? If I spill some sugar, or milk, or accidentally drop an egg, did I just destroy a cake? If I mix all of those ingredients together do I have a cake?

My definition of when I have a cake, and this is only my opinion, was when my grandma put it in a nice warm oven to bake and said to us, "Don't stomp or slam the doors or the cake will fall." Only when the ingredients were put together and it was put in an environment where it could come to term did I consider it a cake. Whether or not it turned out was up to a higher power. In this case, Betty Crocker.

[Syz]

My parents were great, Dad an astronomer, Mother a botanist so my life was surrounded by the Heaven and Earth so to speak. Both calm atheists, but I was made to read bibles and book called "One God" depicting all the religions. I attended all the churches with my religious friends and allowed to make my own determination. When I announced I was an agnostic, my Mother corrected me by saying, "an Agnostic is nothing more than a gutless Atheist so you can see a great deal of humor was also inherited.

My point, maybe not so clear, is we have become a nation of radicals in every area of our lives. Every group from Unions to National Org. of Women with the best at the helm. The radicals of each worked their way to the top and destroyed the purpose of its founders and left us all pitted against each other while trying to hold The Constitution together.
It has been purposeful monumental convolution to keep us pitted against each other over the mundane.

I have no quarrel with religion and enjoy the traditions. My Christmas begins when the bank on the corner puts up the creche and I add my own glitter to the festivities and warmth of the season. AND, I'm still trying to figure out which of the Ten Commandments if offensive to the radical atheist. (LoL, spell check just made me capitalize Ten Commandments)

When I was young, "under God" was not used in the Pledge of Allegiance. Would you believe it never destroyed my life when it was inserted? I'm not forced to say it and to me that's the difference. When I'm forced to have it make a change in my personal life it becomes un-Constitutional and it has crossed over my line of liberty and we are speaking of Constitutional Liberty for individual existance, not majority rule.

Not all Atheists are Clinton Socialists.