Hillary Clinton Enjoys 100% Rating On Abortion From Planned Parenthood

[nohil-billy]

Well said Syz. And yet I feel that it won't be long before Dug rebuts your statement.

[Syz]

Reading through the Biblical disagreements above I wanted to mention the Islamic individual is trained and not educated. They accept their parents, their Professor and their Bible as absolute fact. Those who are intelligent are made to study medicine, even if that person preferred to be an artist. They are not allowed to question or debate any elder and certainly not a Professor so they are brought up with no "common sense" factor to rely on, whereas it appears with so many debates within the respective religions, it shows the impossibility of trying to reason with our enemy that the liberals are determined we need to do. You can't reason with years of historical refusal to reason.

[Dug]

You guys never cease to amaze me!

Syz says

"the Islamic individual is trained and not educated"

I assume by the term "The Islamic Individual" you mean Muslims?

There are between 1 billion to 1.8 billion Muslims in the world today and you are making a sweeping statement covering all of them? Including the million Muslims living in America?

Well I can categorically state that you are wrong on this point. Yes some Muslims are fundamentalists and believe in absolute obedience but then there are many Christian groups that believe in similar doctrines.

Other groups of Muslims (such as the Sufi or Sufism ) believe in open discussion of the Holy Quran and the importance of individual freedom both to discover god and in education and life.

"it shows the impossibility of trying to reason with our enemy that the liberals are determined we need to do.."

This is really disturbing Syz do you really consider all Muslims to be your enemy? The whole billion of them? Including those Muslim countries that are allies of the USA? Man you are paranoid.

"You can't reason with years of historical refusal to reason"

I actually agree 100% with you on this one for many years many religious groups of most religions have steadfastly refused to listen to new ideas or concepts they seem to think intelligent discussion is some kind of threat or insult and retreat to the simplistic "God says, so I believe" theory.

You cannot argue with entrenched ignorance like that mate

[Syz]

Thanks nohil, You must have been posting at the same time so I didn't see it. I'm getting very weary of the Anti-American/Pro the Terrorist's Terrorist Saddam via liberal mantras from Congress.

Last night Fox News finally reached its own sleaze level with an interview with Pelosi. Pelosi, Hillary, Jennifer Grandthief (Mi. governor)Debbie Stabenaw (my rep) Rosemary (mayor of my town within 2 years we lost 14 shops). These incompetent females have set women back a few hundred years, now we want to hand them an entire government. Hillary is acting like a new rich Mom handing out allowances and Pelosi is the uninformed snooty Aunt demanding her share. Have we all lost our minds?

I'd be interested in hearing from others whose states and towns are being subjected to the well known term these women are emulating: "The ##### Whippers"

Signed: Grandaughter of Elija (suffragette) Syzygy (first member of N.O.W.) My family has fought long and hard for women's rights, but these toadies are not ready for Prime Time. They're the Radical Vultures we left over in the pot never expecting them to come to the surface. This is what happens when you don't burn your refuse. It might finally explain why your Gods end up aborting all of us. He's probably as sick of us as I am LOL

[Syz]

For The Dug: You can categorically state anything you like and when it means something I'll let you know.

[Corvair]

Welcome back to another week of sparring with Dug, folks! Hope everyone had a good weekend.

Originally Posted by Dug

Judges 11:29-40 Isaiah 14:21 Ezekiel 9:5-7 Exodus 12:29-30 Jeremiah 51:20-26 Leviticus 26:21-22 Isaiah 13:15-18 1 Samuel 15:2-3 Joshua 8:1-29 Joshua 6:20-21 Judges 20:48 Exodus 32:26-29 2 Kings 2:23-24

killing innocents anyone ? Remember this is a Holy Trinity, 3 in one, Father Son and Holy Spirit, indivisible . So what one says goes for all.

There is a specific lesson in each of those stories. Do you really believe God would violate his own commandments? Wait, let me guess...

You are like a four-year-old stumbling around by himself in a science lab. Some of the objects look shiny and colorful to you, while others are scary! In fact, you are incapable of interpreting what you see.

Originally Posted by Dug

I still have not heard a single logical argument from you as to why doctors and patients should not be given the freedom to practice medical procedures if they believe they are required?

Such as in the case of an ectopic pregnancy? Fair enough.

See? That wasn't so hard.

Originally Posted by Dug

As for me killing my grandmother I would no problem medically assisting her death if she was incapable of enjoying a healthy and mentally active life. I have asked that my family do the same for me if I cannot care for myself.

Sure, you can murder your grandmother if you like. Do you plan to turn yourself in, then, or would you be a fugitive?

Originally Posted by Dug

BTW the report you quote is as well hidden as the non existent WMD's of Saddam

Try this:

[LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This No Hillary For President Forum Link.

[Dug]

See this is the problem you do not give a simple logical argument to refute the evidence presented. you raise an objection to abortion along the lines of "God wants to protect the innocent" I present evidence that a Judao-Christian God does not protect innocents because in the Bible, the supposed holy word of this God and the of Christian religion this God encourages his followers to slaughter women and children.

You reply with "You are like a four-year-old stumbling around by himself in a science lab. Some of the objects look shiny and colorful to you, while others are scary! In fact, you are incapable of interpreting what you see"

Where is the logical argument and irrrifutable evidence in that statment? It would sound like childish name calling to me.

.

So you support abortion at last! Great that you for at last realising that early term abortion is a matter solely between a doctor and patient, that was all I was trying to explain to you.

I will be a fugitive, Having seen some pretty horrible deaths I have absolutely no problem with euthanasia, Let me ask the same question of you. If a loved family member of your was dying of inoperable stomach cancer the maximum amount of pain relief had been given and they were still moaning in agony. The lower bowel was totally blocked so their digested stomach contents is being constantly regurgitated, they stink they are vomiting feces they are in extreme pain and discomfort and they are in the end stage of a terminal condition and repeatedly beg for more morphine to end their suffering and they are 86 years old. Would you request a simple additional dose of morphine to end their suffering or deny them pain relief as any more will certainly kill them?

Asked why the Bush administration, if it had known about the information since April or earlier, didn't advertise it, Hoekstra conjectured that the president has been forward-looking and concentrating on the development of a secure government in Iraq.

Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.

"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war."

If you read it even the Bush government says these are unuseable For a weapon to be a weapon it has to be able to be used otherwise it is not really a weapon is it?

[Dug]

Originally Posted by Syz

For The Dug: You can categorically state anything you like and when it means something I'll let you know.

So you are saying I am right and you are wrong but you don't care because my opinion does not count ? May I ask if you have left elementary school yet? I would hate to be critical of someone so young and naive. If you are still in school then you need to study a lot harder.

I only categorically can say you are wrong because I know a Muslim artist who left home because her parents wanted her to study something else (economics I think). She left home and ran away to Paris from where she moved to America to study. Is is a fine artist, a good friend and a devout practicing Muslim.

So quite simply you are wrong in your statements as for your ability to deny the truth, that is entirely up to you.

[Corvair]

Originally Posted by Dug

See this is the problem you do not give a simple logical argument to refute the evidence presented. you raise an objection to abortion along the lines of "God wants to protect the innocent" I present evidence that a Judao-Christian God does not protect innocents because in the Bible, the supposed holy word of this God and the of Christian religion this God encourages his followers to slaughter women and children.

Actually, I tried to make it as simple as possible. Maybe it went right over your head.

I said there is a specific lesson to each of those stories, the details of which are far too long to get into on the nohillaryforpresident website. You read them and make a superficial interpretation that God is encouraging people to kill wantonly, when there is actually a far different message there. Go take a class if you really are interested in learning what is being said in those stories. So far, you show no such inclination to learn. You dismiss every example and explanation that I or anyone else gives you.

God wants innocent life to be respected but he also gave man what is called "free will." That is, he leads, and we follow if we choose. If not, we accept the consequences.

Originally Posted by Dug

You reply with "You are like a four-year-old stumbling around by himself in a science lab. Some of the objects look shiny and colorful to you, while others are scary! In fact, you are incapable of interpreting what you see"

Where is the logical argument and irrrifutable evidence in that statment? It would sound like childish name calling to me.

I made an analogy. I did not call you a name.

Originally Posted by Dug

So you support abortion at last! Great that you for at last realising that early term abortion is a matter solely between a doctor and patient, that was all I was trying to explain to you.

No, I do not support abortion. Once again you have read something with one eye closed and drawn the wrong conclusion.

Originally Posted by Dug

If you read it even the Bush government says these are unuseable For a weapon to be a weapon it has to be able to be used otherwise it is not really a weapon is it?

"This [report] says weapons have been discovered, more weapons exist and they state that Iraq was not a WMD-free zone, that there are continuing threats from the materials that are or may still be in Iraq," said Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

See? I can cherry-pick quotes, too.

You want to believe that WMDs have not been found in Iraq, but they have. Sorry, Dug.

[Dug]

Actually, I tried to make it as simple as possible. Maybe it went right over your head.

I said there is a specific lesson to each of those stories, the details of which are far too long to get into on the nohillaryforpresident website. You read them and make a superficial interpretation that God is encouraging people to kill wantonly, when there is actually a far different message there. Go take a class if you really are interested in learning what is being said in those stories. So far, you show no such inclination to learn. You dismiss every example and explanation that I or anyone else gives you.

God wants innocent life to be respected but he also gave man what is called "free will." That is, he leads, and we follow if we choose. If not, we accept the consequences.

"God wants innocent life to be respected" What are the Biblical quotes to support this? Where in the bible does it say "God wants innocent life to be respected" or words to that effect? There are plenty of examples of God killing or asking for innocents to be killed. Please supply the quotes to support your arguments.

I made an analogy. I did not call you a name.

Sorry but you are not good at analogies you should leave things like that alone.

No, I do not support abortion. Once again you have read something with one eye closed and drawn the wrong conclusion.

But you do agree that medical intervention is a matter between the Doctor and the Patient not for church or state to intervene? So if a doctor agrees with a patient that a medically assisted early term abortion is the best option then it should be allowed.

"This [report] says weapons have been discovered, more weapons exist and they state that Iraq was not a WMD-free zone, that there are continuing threats from the materials that are or may still be in Iraq," said Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

See? I can cherry-pick quotes, too.

You want to believe that WMDs have not been found in Iraq, but they have. Sorry, Dug.[/quote]

If the report says there were weapons and there were no weapons then it is not a credible report. Please find some supporting evidence that supports this otherwise this is just another Fox news story. Fox is run by a famous Ex Australian he is famous for twisting news stories to fit his own political agenda. Please supply some supporting evidence.

[LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This No Hillary For President Forum Link.
WASHINGTON - In his final word, the CIA’s top weapons inspector in Iraq said Monday that the hunt for weapons of mass destruction has “gone as far as feasible” and has found nothing, closing an investigation into the purported programs of Saddam Hussein that were used to justify the 2003 invasion.

Is the CIA capable of finding these things?

cheers doug