Hillary Clinton Enjoys 100% Rating On Abortion From Planned Parenthood

[Dug]

Originally Posted by nohil-billy

Dug, murder happens every day also! Should we legalize that too?

And let's say that a doctor amputated your leg because you had a sore knee. Would that be the same as if your leg was severed in a car accident? Your comparison of abortion to miscarriage is far reaching and somewhat ludicrous.

I agree that the pill and condoms should be available to sexually active people who can't afford them but I still believe that personal irresponsibility is more to blame for unwanted pregnancies than a lack of funds to purchase contraception. By your way of thinking, lust supersedes common sense and the heat of the moment supersedes responsibility. Having an erection does not require that sex should automatically follow regardless of the consequences.

You're right that there are super self righteous people who don't believe in contraception and it's for that reason that I consider myself pro choice. And you're also right that if conception has taken place the morning after pill would be a form of abortion, but could you prove that an abortion took place? In the case of the morning after pill, I prefer the devil I don't know over the devil I do.

Sorry mate check your facts a Miscarriage IS an abortion the Fetus is Aborted. Induced or spontaneous an abortion is an abortion. Education and prevention is preferable but as a last resort safe medical abortion for those who need it should be available for any woman.

If a doctor amputated my knee for a valid medical reason yes it would be the same as if it was amputated in an accident, except for the fact that traumatic amputation is far more dangerous than a surgical operation.

Same with abortion a safe medical intervention is safer than backyard operators.

[Dug]

Originally Posted by watchman

Along with all that grand freedom, how about a little responsibility? Hw about we remve the government from deciding fr our childrens sex lives? How about we leave these personal values to parenting and remve the smut from TV?? Passing out condoms, and pills condons the behavior - Srry but you are way wrong on this one. I am 56 and a grandparent speaking from experience.

My boys always had access to condoms and were told to be responsible about their sex lives. My girls have always had access to both the pill and condoms and told to be responsible.

I have no interest in the government deciding children's sex lives, but I know what happens in the real world where parents do not take on the responsibilities for equipping their children for the real world.

You guys are say you are the guardians for freedom, democracy and the rights of the individual to decide and I agree with this people should be given the freedom to decide. China has compulsory abortions and this is an invasion of human rights. Refusing to support early term medical abortions is also an invasion of a persons human rights.


I am a proud 51 year old grandfather, my children and grandchildren all appear to adore me and I am speaking from experience lots of experience.

[Corvair]

Originally Posted by Dug

...Refusing to support early term medical abortions is also an invasion of a person's human rights.

Not from the vantage point of the one being aborted.

[Dug]

Originally Posted by atigg929

I as a woman should of course be for having a choice but I do not feel that murder is a choice. God is in the ultimate control. His Will will be done. I know that carrying a child that was a product of something vile would be hard. But I also know that within months of aborting, the women are never the same again. Every woman I have spoken to about their abortions wish that they had not made an innocent child die and they suffer multiple psychological disorders that did not exist beforehand.
I suppose as a man you may look at it a different way. Suppose that since abortion is legal and as easy as taking a pill that your wife/girlfriend discovers she is pregnant with YOUR child. She does not consult you but she does NOT want this baby messing up her plans. So she goes to the clinic and gets rid of the unnecessary baggage. What would you do? How would you feel? Did you have a voice in the choice or did the child for that matter?
The pro life vs. pro choice fight is about more than incest and rape. That is the superficial reasons. There are other implications besides the obvious. Stem Cell research, collagen used in makeup products, gene therapy... the list could go on...

Who's God Atigg? Your god my god an atheists god ? if you have freedom of religion then you must tolerate the choices of other people if you don't like that then you are no better than the religious theocracies of the Muslim world. Afghanistan and Iran have laws that make decisions for women America is a country that traditionally offers freedom.

If God is in control then I am more than happy to leave decision to him make abortion legal and let him punish or prevent them form happening, He has more than enough power to do that surely?

If I had been responsible for an unplanned pregnancy then the fault would also fall on me but being the woman's body then finally the decision would be hers.

Just a question how many of you support the invasion of Iraq and capitol punishment?

[Corvair]

Originally Posted by Dug

...Just a question how many of you support the invasion of Iraq and capitol punishment?

That's called a non sequitur.

[lenahan]

Originally Posted by Dug

Who's God Atigg? Your god my god an atheists god ? if you have freedom of religion then you must tolerate the choices of other people if you don't like that then you are no better than the religious theocracies of the Muslim world. Afghanistan and Iran have laws that make decisions for women America is a country that traditionally offers freedom.

If God is in control then I am more than happy to leave decision to him make abortion legal and let him punish or prevent them form happening, He has more than enough power to do that surely?

If I had been responsible for an unplanned pregnancy then the fault would also fall on me but being the woman's body then finally the decision would be hers.

Just a question how many of you support the invasion of Iraq and capitol punishment?

I supported the invasion of Iraq, and will until all our troops have returned once victory has been won. I also support capital punishment. I also support a woman's right to chose what happens to her body, no matter how detestable i see abortion to be. It is this simple question that guides me: Should we allow the gov't to control our bodies?

[Dug]

Originally Posted by Corvair

That's called a non sequitur.

Please explain why you think so.

I would assume any person who believes human live is totally sacred and sacrosanct would not approve of the death penalty of war.

Invading a foreign country and killing over 300,000 men women and children to obtain their oil supply for your own country would seem a little unreasonable to me.

Contaminating their land with depleted uranium a known cause of foetal mutant and a major cause of abortions would seem to be a major problem for right to life supporters. Especially when this will also affect US and allied troops as well as Iraqis for generations to come.

Setting yourself up as an executioner also causes me problems. "Judge not lest ye be judged" and "let he who is without sin cast the first stone", would seem to be the biblical caution here. Obviously Jesus was not a fan of capitol punishment.

[Corvair]

Originally Posted by Dug

Please explain why you think so...

The discussion was regarding abortion. Out of nowhere, you introduced war and capital punishment. Abortion, war and capital punishment are three unrelated subjects; hence, a non sequitur.

Originally Posted by Dug

Invading a foreign country and killing over 300,000 men women and children to obtain their oil supply for your own country would seem a little unreasonable to me.

I agree with you. That would be unreasonable. When and where has such a thing happened?

[Dug]

Originally Posted by Corvair

The discussion was regarding abortion. Out of nowhere, you introduced war and capital punishment. Abortion, war and capital punishment are three unrelated subjects; hence, a non sequitur.



I agree with you. That would be unreasonable. When and where has such a thing happened?

Are you perhaps an American? anyway recently America invaded an oil rich country called Iraq. Iraq while a country ruled by a very unpleasant man called Saddam Hussein . While the leader and government was not a good example they posed no real threat to the civilized world. Sadly the invasion by US and allied troops killed between 150,000 and 600,000 innocent civilians. Recently one of the planners of the invasion made a public statement confirming what many people suspected all along that the invasion was actually to secure oil supplies not to free the people of Iraq.

The purpose of this is to show the importance of life. Each living person is unique and valuable. While people may debate when life begins most people would think that after birth a person is a living Human being and therefore a valuable individual. An embryo is not a thinking human in my opinion I would say 3 months would be a good safe cutoff for medical abortion but I think the killing of living humans is what really should be discouraged.

[nohil-billy]

Ann Coulter wrote a book, "How To Talk To A Liberal," with a very interesting disclaimer included in the title. "If You Must"

The disclaimer was intended for those who feel compelled to joust idealogically with the likes of Dug. If you send Dug a coloring book with the "big" box of crayons, I guarantee that he would send it back with all of the pictures colored in different shades of gray.

Don't let him frustrate you with his ability to stray from one subject to another, or giving incoherent answers stating opinion as fact. This is by design. Liberal design!

Somebody stated in an earlier post that the mantra of liberalism is; "A lie repeated often enough becomes the truth." Well here's another mantra of liberalism; "If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with Bullsh*t." Liberals are masters of both.