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Old 03.30.2007
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Arrow Originally Posted by SpeakTruthtoHillary

This is a keeper and should not get lost. Thank You for posting it!

Very happy to see this site --
Yes, I too hope people aren't afraid to speak up about why they do not want Hillary for President. I may not have time to come back here regularly, so I'll share indepth what I feel is crucial: I do think it's important to spread the word on various websites. I am an independent and haven't decided whom to vote for per the 2008 presidency. Yet I am convinced that Hillary's devious tactics and her lack of political smarts would yield disastrous results.
To defeat Hillary, these are my guidelines for myself which I invite others on this site to consider: take a page from Hillary's own campaign book, the rapid-response approach. Go to various political websites to register immediate rebuttals to whatever Hillary is trying to fudge next. Her campaign never expected to be mimicked like that. Be polite. Don't argue with Hillary supporters, some of whom become more shrill, illogical, and unhinged with every anti-Hillary opinion stated. A few are bullies who are rightly frightened when hard-hit by posted truths about Hillary. I've commented on the HuffingtonPost.com board. A sizeable number of posters there, including liberals, do not like Hillary. One irate Hillary defender accused me of being a front for an organization, trying to mess with people's minds, and tried to lure me into a tit-for-tat. I don't give any opponent that chance. I merely continue to air my heartfelt concerns, posting my feedback about Hillary in a clear manner, and with civility. (Also, a new nasty tactic on some website message boards, is to flag as abusive, any post by an anti-Hillary writer. If that happens, and you face being banned, just email the site staff and speak up, and include copies of all your postings, all courteous, non-abusive). Also, it's important not to exaggerate. Don't insult Hillary. That's what her staff is said to do per rivals. Stick to the Hillary facts. Ignore the flaws and dramas in Hillary's personal life. Many people don't want to hear it; emphasize instead her voting record, her lack of perception, her lack of experience on important issues, quote from her speeches, and from Bill Clinton's autobiography, showing how currently, she is piggybacking on any positive achievement by her husband when he was in the Oval Office. Bring up the dissatisfaction of groups of upstate New York voters over Hillary's failure to implement certain campaign promises to improve their economic situation. The pro-Hillary's and the anti-Hillary's are basically set in their ways. Don't waste time trying to change a pro-Hillary person's mind. Dialogue with political swing voters. Moreover, an intriguing group of people are Democrats who say they dislike Hillary but would settle for and vote for her if she were to become the nominee. When I do find opportunites to dialogue with such Democrats, I appeal to the priority of country over political party, so that hopefully they will support another candidate. Like a broken record, I keep stressing on various posts that Hillary has had 16 years to prove that she does not want to polarize, or that she has grown beyond that, and that, nevertheless, with her it is still the same-old, same-old pattern.
Per her campaign wealth, don't feel intimidated by that. Yes. it buys her endorsements, and more air-time, more in-your-face time, but "more-Hillary" also translates into more polarization. She may win the Democratic nomination; but the general election will be much more unpredictable. Unless major ballot-rigging occurs, there's an excellent chance Hillary's quest will not succeed. Finally, I'd say in your endeavors, portray Hillary, not as a monster, an evil hypocrite, but as I sense she really is: as a very confused, not very insightful wannabee who has shown little ability to bring people together, or to offer a solid, well-thought out platform to solve serious national and global challenges. I give Hillary her due -- she has certain talents, she's not without intelligence, her family and fans appreciate her, she's experienced grief and loss as we all have in life, and there's no need to hate her. Yet we do need to encourage her to realize the political arena is not her forte, her tactics are unacceptable, and her delusion that she is a capable leader cannot be fed any longer. Let's trust we can do that, and again, I stress, let's be truthful, be courteous, be relentless.
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The advice of SpeakTruthtoHillary sounds uncannily like the broom riders policy of "no politics of personal destruction." While we're busy soft-selling our opposition to Hillary, what will they be doing? I think it's important that we stress her weaknesses, hers scandals, and her ambitions to socialize this country.

If SpeakTruth may not have time to come here regularly then I can only wonder what his/her motive is to stop by and instruct us to basically tone it down. Can anybody vouch for this member?
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The advice of SpeakTruthtoHillary sounds uncannily like the broom riders policy of "no politics of personal destruction." While we're busy soft-selling our opposition to Hillary, what will they be doing? I think it's important that we stress her weaknesses, hers scandals, and her ambitions to socialize this country.

If SpeakTruth may not have time to come here regularly then I can only wonder what his/her motive is to stop by and instruct us to basically tone it down. Can anybody vouch for this member?
I had a different take on SpeakTruth's comments. I read it as going on pro Hillary web pages and posting. Here on this site we seem to be basically agreeing with each other, we all think the broom rider sucks, any liberal that trys to post is blown away and doesn't come back because they can't handle truth. I took it more as a how to get your point across on their blogs to people that preach tolerance but can't handle free speech or thought unless they agree with them. They can't defend their beliefs because they are not supportable.
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Sorry NH, I just don't believe that those people understand nice and they will eat you alive if they sense weakness. Rosie O'Donnell is a good example of trying to reason with a Hillary backer. If those people had any sense, they wouldn't be there in the first place.
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Sorry NH, I just don't believe that those people understand nice and they will eat you alive if they sense weakness. Rosie O'Donnell is a good example of trying to reason with a Hillary backer. If those people had any sense, they wouldn't be there in the first place.
Sorry NHB I guess we can agree to disagree. Suggest you go back and read the original post, as well as, my comment to your's. Of course you can't reason with a lefty using an attack approach. My point is we need to consider hitting liberal blogs with a subtle approach questioning her real strengths and abilities. We are preaching to the choir here, nobody would consider voting for Hillary on this site. We also need to go on to every blog and challenge them to come visit this Blog. Possibly the volume and magnitude of our disgust with her as a candidate might ring a bell. The big concern according to a Dick Morris Report is though she is sliding in the polls due to her own persona, the first time unregistered woman voter will be a group targeted that could pull her through. Suggest we post on all liberal blogs and challenge women to think, and use their vote wisely.

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For you NH, I'll try again. But my past experience on liberal websites just frustrated me all to hell. As with most donkeys, a 2x4 upside it's head will get it to move quicker than kind words. These people are not like us.

It's very hard to deal with people whose main objective is to elect a person that will benefit them personally. Their party is constituted of dozens of special interest groups with an equal number of agenda's. The only thing they all share is a common mantra; "WHAT'S IN IT FOR ME!!" These people don't care about the country, they only care about themselves.
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Speaking of Rosie O'Donnell

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Sorry NH, I just don't believe that those people understand nice and they will eat you alive if they sense weakness. Rosie O'Donnell is a good example of trying to reason with a Hillary backer. If those people had any sense, they wouldn't be there in the first place.
I saw Rosie O'Donnell on TV the other day. She is actually implying that Bush was behind 9/11. In her mind, she thought she was speaking so expertly about how it was impossible for planes to have brought down the twin towers. She really made an a** of herself by spouting those conspiracy theories. She apparently doesn't realize that Popular Mechanics debunked those theories.
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