Hillary, Barak, Courting Gays - Skirting The Gay Morality Issue? - DUH!

[WiseOne]

[ WASHINGTON -- If gays and lesbians were looking for a champion to dispute Gen. Peter Pace's claim that homosexuality is immoral, they might have expected Hillary Rodham Clinton or Barack Obama to leap forward.

Not quite. While both Clinton and Obama are courting gays and lesbians, and would allow them to serve openly in the military, the Democratic front-runners have been curiously reticent about challenging the statements of the chairman of the Joints Chiefs of Staff. ]

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WiseOne's Comments, Let's see if I get this right...so the Dems are skirting questions on gays and the morality of gays...can we say DUH, go figure...Just MHO.

[Gangstamike]

Gays are immoral.

[nohil-billy]

Sounds like they're having a hard time hating the sin but loving the sinner.

[nohil-billy]

I just heard the clip of Gen. Pace and now understand Clinton and Obamas' reluctance to respond. Gen. Pace stated that homosexual "acts" are immoral. Clinton and Obama are more than happy to support gay rights, nobody can truthfully say that being gay or homosexual is immoral. Even the Catholic church has admitted that it has gay clergy but as long as they don't act on their urges, it's no problem. Clinton and Obama appear however, to shy away from discussions as they pertain to the acts themselves.

Clinton and Obamas' campaign staffs later said that both of them did not believe homosexuality was immoral. Clinton said she should have echoed the sentiments of fellow democrat John Warner who stated that he did not believe homosexuality was immoral. Yet none of them has disavowed what Gen. Pace actually said.

[NoHitlery]

Originally Posted by nohil-billy

I just heard the clip of Gen. Pace and now understand Clinton and Obamas' reluctance to respond. Gen. Pace stated that homosexual "acts" are immoral. Clinton and Obama are more than happy to support gay rights, nobody can truthfully say that being gay or homosexual is immoral. Even the Catholic church has admitted that it has gay clergy but as long as they don't act on their urges, it's no problem. Clinton and Obama appear however, to shy away from discussions as they pertain to the acts themselves.

Clinton and Obamas' campaign staffs later said that both of them did not believe homosexuality was immoral. Clinton said she should have echoed the sentiments of fellow democrat John Warner who stated that he did not believe homosexuality was immoral. Yet none of them has disavowed what Gen. Pace actually said.

I don't personally care about a person's sexual orientation. Pace was speaking about the immorality of adulty in the military and gay acts in the military as not being moral. I think God will have an answer for that, and I happen to believe that he will probably forgive believer's that commit what the Bible states are acts of immorality. The focus should be getting Hillary out of the closet!

[WiseOne]

Oh, that's going to be a hard one...getting Hillary out of the closet, LOL. I bet every time Rosie visits, the rooms are scanned for bugging devices, cameras, and the like for extra security. No I'm kidding, but a LOT of people actually DO wonder about Hillary's true sexual leanings...obviously Bill wasn't getting enough!

[nohil-billy]

Exactly my point, NoHitlery. Gen. Pace went out of his way to stress that he considered homosexual acts immoral. Hillary and Obama took the easy way out by eventually stating that homosexuality wasn't immoral. That was not the issue and they both new it. That's why it took them so long to respond.

Like you, I don't give a tinkers #### what people are doing in their own bedrooms and I truly believe that God will find it unnecessary to forgive what he created. I laugh when the "Moral Majority" says that gay marriage would cheapen the sanctity of marriage while the divorce rate is over 50%.

Immorality is subjective. If you have a gay next door neighbor that never flaunts his sexual preference, how would he be immoral as compared to your other neighbor who is cheating on his wife and vice-versa. Sexuality, homo or hetero, isn't immoral until you put it out there. Ask Hillary or Obama what they think about the local XXX book store, and they would site the first amendments freedom of speech. Tell them that you're going to invite a stripper to their next campaign event and see if they show.

[Herb Schaffler]

"a LOT of people actually DO wonder about Hillary's true sexual leanings."

There have been people who have claimed they have witnessed Hillary frolicking in the pool with a woman at Camp David. Bill has even told Gennifer Flowers and his state troopers that Hillary has licked more p**** than he has.

A person's sexuality doesn't matter to me, but when a person tries to keep it a secret, it opens the person up for blackmail. Monica Lewinsky threathened to tell her parents about Bill's and her sex if he didn't get her a good job, for instance.

[nohil-billy]

I don't necessarily believe that any person should be required to disclose their sexual preference as long as they govern neutrally. If Hillary is a lesbian and will let her sexuality influence her decisions, then she needs to be straight forward. (no pun intended) She only needs to look at her husbands administration to see how one's hidden sexual proclivity can lead to questionable judgement.

[PeroW-Cheney]

Originally Posted by nohil-billy

Even the Catholic church has admitted that it has gay clergy but as long as they don't act on their urges, it's no problem.

This statement confuses me. How can you be gay but not act on the urges? Can you be a novelist but never write a book?

If you don't write a book and your book doesn't get published and nobody ever reads your book... then you are not a novelist. So what if you imagine writing a book? So what if you fantasize about doing book tours? Just because you think it doesn't make it true. I know sometimes I think about killing somebody but that doesn't make me "born a murderer".

I think if you don't act on the urges, then you are not gay. There's this Oprahtized concept of being gay that sounds like a politically correct fabrication to convince people that sex between 2 consenting adults is involuntary like hiccups. Americans believe that a gay man and a lesbian can be monogomous, married, have children and this is all involuntary because they are homosexuals conforming to society's imposition. If this is true, then the married couple in this example are raping eachother because sex with somebody who does not choose to have sex with you IS RAPE.

As a matter of fact, I think rape is the only way homosexual genetic markers can possibly be passed on to the next generation (IF you buy the belief that gays don't have any choice because they are born that way). I think gay sex is a choice and it offends my intelligence to be told otherwise and that is why I couldn't care less about gay issues. They need to cut this line of bull before I would give attention to any legit concerns they have. If sex is involuntary, then we are talking about rape and that is a different issue.